Recognition and Restitution

[dikranagert]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

Keep in mind, the only NON-biased history book on planet earth will probably have to written by a Martian.

I think it is informative to read books from all sources and all biases.

Usually, the way to get to a universal truth is if the information in an extreme, moderate, and central historical reference are all aligned. If that is the case, then that is as close to truth as you will get.

Further, if extremes are aligned on a topic (i.e. a ulta-nationalist Turkish and Armenian publication) then we can be reasonalbly sure that it is true as well.

For example, in both of our histories, the A.R.F. and the Young Turk were allies until 1908 - it is from there that the story starts to change.

That is what I focus on - which is why I've read the extreme literature on both sides as well as 'objective' western and eastern sources.

Thoughts?

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

When they are either a sockpuppet, or a reincarnation of a longtime banned member. But, of course, you also are a reincarnation of a longtime banned member, aren't you?

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[Anoush]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

When they are either a sockpuppet, or a reincarnation of a longtime banned member. But, of course, you also are a reincarnation of a longtime banned member, aren't you?

cat, don't be so sure someone else is the reincarnation of a banned member. What makes you think you can be so ko'key about it.

Hrai, I happen to agree as well with Anila's logic and post. How much you can rely on Wikipedia alone and base your opinion on it?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

And since when does the number of posts anyone has made or makes disqualify the content of said post?

When they are either a sockpuppet, or a reincarnation of a longtime banned member. But, of course, you also are a reincarnation of a longtime banned member, aren't you?

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

Bell-the-cat is a hack, spewer of diatribes plain and simple. If the interweb was on paper, I do not know if people would even wipe their asses with the pages he wrote on.

So let's see, while fapping to Churchill photos, he chooses something to oppose in a random post, Hayk Ghazarian in this case, and by a series of associations, implicates him in being inconsequential. While that may be for experts to decide, or at least for those who have read his books, a hack who thinks that the British Library is the sole arbiter of value in the world (it has every "important" book in the English language because it is a legal deposit for the UK, which means it has a lot of Churchill quote and sexcapade books in its history divisions.) Anyhow, those of us in the academia, Bell-the-hack, use sources other than Ebay and Wikipedia. They are such elusive, hidden places like Library of Congress and databases like World Cat. Anyhow, Library of Congress has 8 books by Hayk Ghazarian, granted that all of them are in Armenian from the looks of it. Worldcat yields 11 libraries with the book (sure, it's not Dadrian but not knowing the nature of the book, and how dense or academic it is, one cannot discredit it by looking at its unpopularity-- there are many well regarded academic books with similar numbers) and one of these libraries is Bilkent University-- a Turkish institution.

This is not to say that it is a good or a bad book. It can be discussed extensively by people qualified to do so, and I say that with the lowest of standards in mind, while people like Bell-the-cat can do what they do best: bullxxxx.

Well said Anila,
I couldn't have put it better, I haven't the strength to answer Bell at any length, so thanks.
He's got the advantage of the solitude of the padded cell, unlimited time to surf ebay, wikipedia and "IloveWinston.com" that he can produce bs on an unprecedented and profuse scale.
I just wonder if he posts before or after his medication?

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

Hmmmm ... a six-post wonder with a Churchhill obsession and a hatred of anyone who says it like it is. Get off my interwebs, you're clogging-up its pipes!

Reading old posts as Anila seems to have.........that's a little research Bell,.... you do seem to be obsessive/anal regarding churchill.

And since when does the number of posts anyone has made or makes disqualify the content of said post?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

Bell-the-cat is a hack, spewer of diatribes plain and simple. If the interweb was on paper, I do not know if people would even wipe their asses with the pages he wrote on.

So let's see, while fapping to Churchill photos, he chooses something to oppose in a random post, Hayk Ghazarian in this case, and by a series of associations, implicates him in being inconsequential. While that may be for experts to decide, or at least for those who have read his books, a hack who thinks that the British Library is the sole arbiter of value in the world (it has every "important" book in the English language because it is a legal deposit for the UK, which means it has a lot of Churchill quote and sexcapade books in its history divisions.) Anyhow, those of us in the academia, Bell-the-hack, use sources other than Ebay and Wikipedia. They are such elusive, hidden places like Library of Congress and databases like World Cat. Anyhow, Library of Congress has 8 books by Hayk Ghazarian, granted that all of them are in Armenian from the looks of it. Worldcat yields 11 libraries with the book (sure, it's not Dadrian but not knowing the nature of the book, and how dense or academic it is, one cannot discredit it by looking at its unpopularity-- there are many well regarded academic books with similar numbers) and one of these libraries is Bilkent University-- a Turkish institution.

This is not to say that it is a good or a bad book. It can be discussed extensively by people qualified to do so, and I say that with the lowest of standards in mind, while people like Bell-the-cat can do what they do best: bullxxxx.

Hmmmm ... a six-post wonder with a Churchhill obsession and a hatred of anyone who says it like it is. Get off my interwebs, you're clogging-up its pipes!

[anila]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

Bell-the-cat is a hack, spewer of diatribes plain and simple. If the interweb was on paper, I do not know if people would even wipe their asses with the pages he wrote on.

So let's see, while fapping to Churchill photos, he chooses something to oppose in a random post, Hayk Ghazarian in this case, and by a series of associations, implicates him in being inconsequential. While that may be for experts to decide, or at least for those who have read his books, a hack who thinks that the British Library is the sole arbiter of value in the world (it has every "important" book in the English language because it is a legal deposit for the UK, which means it has a lot of Churchill quote and sexcapade books in its history divisions.) Anyhow, those of us in the academia, Bell-the-hack, use sources other than Ebay and Wikipedia. They are such elusive, hidden places like Library of Congress and databases like World Cat. Anyhow, Library of Congress has 8 books by Hayk Ghazarian, granted that all of them are in Armenian from the looks of it. Worldcat yields 11 libraries with the book (sure, it's not Dadrian but not knowing the nature of the book, and how dense or academic it is, one cannot discredit it by looking at its unpopularity-- there are many well regarded academic books with similar numbers) and one of these libraries is Bilkent University-- a Turkish institution.

This is not to say that it is a good or a bad book. It can be discussed extensively by people qualified to do so, and I say that with the lowest of standards in mind, while people like Bell-the-cat can do what they do best: bullxxxx.

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

According to photographs found on ebay:

Most Soviet historiography isn't worth the paper it's printed on, so, to overcome those preconceptions, anyone coming from that time-period needs to work extra-hard to convince.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

So, Soviet qualifications aren't worth the paper they're written on? Interesting.
That's the US$ 700 my dad paid for my degree wasted then!

Should that have had a smilie face next to it ?(Nowadays $700 in an envelope would probably be the going rate to guarantee getting your degree).

Most Soviet historiography isn't worth the paper it's printed on, so, to overcome those preconceptions, anyone coming from that time-period needs to work extra-hard to convince.