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  • #2
    Re: ANCA and FRA


    Hmm ... that document at first sight might alarm, and in a way it could be nice to see the ANCA hoisted by their own pomposity, but on closer reading the complaint does look spurious.
    The alarm mostly results from the first impression - of seeing, in a sea of drivel produced by Armenians, Azeris and Turks, a properly-worded, well presented document (though their citation of Wikipedia lets their side down somewhat ).
    Plenipotentiary meow!

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    • #3
      Re: ANCA and FRA

      Hurriyet has picked up on it.
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      Hurriyet Daily News: ANCA may face investigation
      24.02.2009 00:38 GMT+04:00


      /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Washington based ethics monitor, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, or CREW, has filed complaints with federal agencies against the Armenian National Committee of America, or ANCA, for various lobbying and campaign violations, Hurriyet Daily News reports.

      Accordiong to Turkish newspaper “CREW submitted voluminous materials to the U.S. Department of Justice, Internal Revenue Service, Secretary of the Senate and Clerk of the House on Thursday that complained ANCA, the largest U.S. Armenian group had engaged in prohibited activity as a charitable organization, violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act and also skirted the Lobbying Disclosure Act.”

      As it is mentioned in the article “the letters of complaint said ANCA had violated restrictions on charitable organizations "by participating or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." It said the organization illegally participated in the endorsement of Barack Obama for U.S. President and Joseph Biden for Vice-President, as well as some 15 U.S. Senate candidates and 211 U.S. House candidates.”

      Moreover ANCA executives "have lobbied Congress and the executive branch heavily with regard to perennial congressional Armenian genocide resolutions and other legislation bearing on U.S.-Armenia, U.S.-Turkey or U.S.-Azerbaijani relations without even registering with the Secretary of the Senate or Clerk of the House."

      Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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      • #4
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        ANCA Accused of Lobbying Violations
        By Michael Doyle
        Fresno Bee

        WASHINGTON - A high-profile ethics organization on Wednesday asked federal
        agencies to investigate the Armenian National Committee of America for alleged
        campaign finance and lobbying violations.
        In a seven-page complaint, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in
        Washington . .. asserts the Armenian-American group failed to register either as a
        domestic lobbying group or as a foreign agent despite its political work and
        its close ties to an Armenian political party.
        The Armenian National Committee of America is one of the country's most
        prominent ethnic organizations, and has worked closely with San Joaquin Valley
        lawmakers on Armenian genocide commemorative resolutions.
        "We're not saying they should be out of business," said Melanie Sloan, a
        former federal prosecutor who heads the private Citizens for Responsibilityand
        Ethics in Washington . "We're saying there are laws, and they should be
        following them."
        Sloan attached 161 pages of exhibits in support of the allegations.
        Armenian National Committee of America officials denounced the charges as
        unfounded.
        "We've taken a preliminary look at [the] allegations, and they are without
        merit and full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations," ANCA Communications
        Director Elizabeth Chouldjian said.
        Chouldjian declined to undertake a point-by-point rebuttal of the complaint,
        but she said "the real story is why this is being brought up now." She noted
        the complaint was filed about two months before the annual April 24 Armenian
        genocide commemoration; she did not elaborate on a potential motive for the
        complaint's timing.
        The Armenian National Committee of America describes itself on its web site
        as "the largest and most influential Armenian American grassroots political
        organization." It is active in regions with large Armenian-American populations,
        including New Jersey, Florida and California.
        Currently, Rep. George Radanovich, R-Mariposa, and other ANCA allies are
        rallying renewed support for an Armenian genocide resolution that collapsedlast
        Congress. Under presidents of both parties, the Pentagon and State Department
        have opposed the resolution as an insult to Turkey, which denies that mass
        deaths between 1915 and 1923 amounted to a genocide.
        "Circumstantial evidence indicates that ANCA and its current or former
        executive directors have lobbied Congress and the executive branch heavily with
        regard to perennial congressional Armenian genocide resolutions," the complaint
        states.
        The complaint cites interviews and press releases, in which ANCA leaders tout
        their efforts to sway Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., among others.
        The Armenian National Committee of America has not registered as a lobbyist
        with either the House or Senate. Failure to register can be a felony offense,
        though Sloan said potential problems are often resolved simply by registering
        after the fact.
        The Armenian Assembly of America, the nation's other prominent
        Armenian-American organization, is registered and reported spending $182,000 on lobbying
        last year.
        "These are the rules, and everybody has to follow them," Sloan said.
        The complaint asks the Internal Revenue Service to review potential tax
        violations and the Justice Department to open a criminal probe. The complaint also
        asks the House and Senate to open "companion inquiries" into the lobbying
        allegations.
        Citing press accounts, a U.S. embassy study and the research of Heather
        Gregg, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, the complaint
        contends ANCA is "an arm" of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation. The latter is
        a political party that is part of Armenia 's ruling coalition.
        Agents of foreign political parties are required to register with the Justice
        Department. ANCA can endorse political candidates, as a group organized under
        section 501 © (4) of the federal tax code. The affiliated ANCA-Western
        Region, based in Glendale, cannot because it is a 501 © (3) organization.The
        complaint alleges the Western Region office nonetheless participated in the
        national organization's candidate endorsements, in part by sharing a Web site.
        Sloan said the complaint arose from a tip received late last year.
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        • #5
          Re: ANCA and FRA

          OK so what I gather is that they can now register, pay the dues which is I gather it would be approximately a couple of hundred thousand dollars and then it would be alright with the Internal Revenue and etc.

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          • #6
            Re: ANCA and FRA

            Originally posted by Anoush View Post
            OK so what I gather is that they can now register, pay the dues which is I gather it would be approximately a couple of hundred thousand dollars and then it would be alright with the Internal Revenue and etc.
            For want of a nail, the ship was lost.
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            • #7
              Re: ANCA and FRA

              Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
              For want of a nail, the ship was lost.
              The ship was not lost and it is not lost cat. Do I sense some hypocritical amusement? Who's side are you anyways?
              Last edited by Anoush; 02-24-2009, 07:01 PM.

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              • #8
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                Armenian-American group accused of lobbying violations

                The Miami Herald
                February 19, 2009

                By MICHAEL DOYLE
                McClatchy Newspapers

                WASHINGTON -- A high-profile ethics organization on Wednesday asked
                federal agencies to investigate the Armenian National Committee of
                America for alleged campaign-finance and lobbying violations.In a
                seven-page complaint, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in
                Washington asserts that the Armenian-American group failed to register
                either as a domestic lobbying group or as a foreign agent despite its
                political work and its close ties to an Armenian political party. The
                Armenian National Committee of America is one of the country's most
                prominent ethnic organizations and has worked closely with members of
                Congress on Armenian genocide commemorative resolutions. "We're not
                saying they should be out of business," said Melanie Sloan, a former
                federal prosecutor who's now the head of the private Citizens for
                Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "We're saying there are laws
                and they should be following them." Sloan attached 161 pages worth of
                exhibits in support of the allegations. Armenian National Committee of
                America officials denounced the charges as unfounded. "We've taken a
                preliminary look at (the) allegations, and they are without merit and
                full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations," said Elizabeth
                Chouldjian, the Armenian National Committee's communications director.
                Chouldjian declined to undertake a point-by-point rebuttal of the
                complaint, but she said that "the real story is why this is being
                brought up now." She noted that the complaint was filed about two
                months before the annual Armenian genocide commemoration on April 24;
                she didn't elaborate on a potential motive for the complaint's timing.
                The Armenian National Committee of America describes itself on its Web
                site as "the largest and most influential Armenian-American
                grass-roots political organization." It's active in regions with large
                Armenian-American populations, including New Jersey, Florida and
                California.

                Its allies are rallying renewed support for an Armenian genocide
                resolution that collapsed in the last Congress. Under presidents of
                both political parties, the Pentagon and State Department have opposed
                the resolution as an insult to Turkey, which denies that mass deaths
                from 1915 to 1923 amounted to genocide.

                The genocide commemoration will pose a dilemma for President Barack
                Obama.

                As a candidate, he voiced support for the resolution. As president, he
                called Turkish President Abdullah Gul on Monday for what the White
                House called a "warm and productive" chat. The genocide resolution is
                also at the heart of the new complaint. "Circumstantial evidence
                indicates that ANCA and its current or former executive directors
                ... have lobbied Congress and the executive branch heavily with regard
                to perennial congressional Armenian genocide resolutions," the
                complaint says. The complaint cites interviews and news releases in
                which Armenian National Committee of America leaders tout their
                efforts to sway Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., among others. The committee
                hasn't registered as a lobbyist with either the House of
                Representatives or the Senate. Failure to register can be a felony
                offense, though Sloan said potential problems often were resolved
                simply by registering after the fact. The Armenian Assembly of
                America, the nation's other prominent Armenian-American organization,
                is registered and reported spending $182,000 on lobbying last year.
                "These are the rules, and everybody has to follow them," Sloan said.
                The multi-pronged complaint asks the Internal Revenue Service to
                review potential tax violations and asks the Justice Department to
                open a criminal probe. It also asks the House and Senate to open
                "companion inquiries" into the lobbying allegations. Citing news
                accounts, a U.S. Embassy study and the research of Heather Gregg, an
                assistant professor at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey,
                Calif., the complaint contends that the Armenian National Committee of
                America is "an arm" of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, a
                political party that's part of Armenia's ruling coalition. Agents of
                foreign political parties are required to register with the Justice
                Department. The Armenian National Committee of America can endorse
                political candidates, as a 501(c)(4) organization. The affiliated
                Armenian National Committee of America Western Region, based in
                Glendale, Calif., cannot because it's a 501(c)(3) organization. The
                complaint alleges that the Western office nonetheless participated in
                the national organization's candidate endorsements, in part by sharing
                a Web site.

                Sloan said the complaint arose from "a tip" received late last year.

                Sloan's nonprofit, six-year-old ethics group claims no partisan
                affiliation, and it previously has filed ethics complaints about
                lawmakers of both parties.

                ON THE WEB
                Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington:
                CREW is a leading ethics watchdog organization that takes relentless legal and investigative actions holding people in power to account.

                Armenian National Committee of America:
                Plenipotentiary meow!

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                • #9
                  Re: ANCA and FRA

                  Another tactic to sabatage the genocide resolution. I really dont think we are gona get xxxx out of usa and i will be pleasently surprised if we do. If we are going to get justice and our lands back we are going to have to do it by growing our Armenia, maybe all that money we spent on anca would be better spent in Hayastan. I hope this years resolution passes and is sighned into law but i am not going to bet on it.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • #10
                    Re: ANCA and FRA

                    I wonder if Ms. Sloan is a member of the tribe and whether or not the person(s) who tipped her off were tribe members. There is a prominent Republican J-ewish leader on the left coast named Sloan.

                    This argument can equally be used against the ADL and AJC who actively lobby on behalf of foreign countries and could be accused of being agents of Israel.

                    I bet you the Center for Responisibility and Ethics is a right-wing J-ewish spinoff of one of the other non-profit J-ewish sevice organizations. You know a group of these members who are not in the non-profit leadership set up what appears to be a separate entity that is actually doing the dirty work for one of the parent non-profits.

                    L.A. attorney Sheldon Sloan, a politically well-connected Republican who also is president of the Los Angeles Coliseum Commission.


                    http://www.j-ewishjournal.com/opinio...erse_20071116/ ("But J-ewish Republican leaders, like former Judge Sheldon Sloan")

                    Oh well, Ms. Sloan was born in Deleware but she's definitely Republican.
                    Melanie Sloan. Self: Casino Jack and the United States of Money. Melanie Sloan was born on 16 December 1965 in Wilmington, Delaware, USA.


                    There is another Melanie Sloan out of the Bronx who is actually Scarlet Johansson's mom, that Ms. Sloan is Ashkenazy J-ew.


                    This Ms. Sloan definitely looks like a heeb.
                    Last edited by freakyfreaky; 02-25-2009, 03:53 PM.
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