Pontian Genocide

[Palavra]

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read world history Palavra, real world history. Do you know what that is or you just consider Turkish history books as…….THE “Master Copy”.

Both Greeks and Armenians were tested in the face of evil but our bonds are greater than our failures to each other, this is something that does not concern anybody……especially the likes of Turks.

Yes, my friend. Armenain and greek issue is totally different. Greeks did not murdered or exiled as armenians. And tell me, why It is greece compansated turkey for their act against ethic of war? So you are becoming more and more boring with saying same things about every discussion. We are brainwashed. We are stupid bla bla bla.

In reality, You are brainwashed and You have no capacity to comment history because of your closed minds.

I wish I could be so nonchalant over such atrocities. Let me guess, your lack of “education” is Turkish?

I wish that you can talk about atrocities your nation did at anaolia.

This is not the same as violence committed in self-defense or in an attempt to liberate your home or family from an invader

Bla bla bla. When did ankara become homeland of greeks. Also, It was greek who attacked ottomans. You can discuss about history as much as you want but this does not change reality.

Also, It is greece who paid for her unethical act and You can read at lousane treaty which is signed by your goverment.

Therefore, acts of violence against Turks cannot be considered genocide.

What the hell? So killing turks is not a crime. Look who is talking about humanity. an unhuman fasist.

[gorgona]

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Yes, my friend. Armenain and greek issue is totally different. Greeks did not murdered or exiled as armenians. And tell me, why It is greece compansated turkey for their act against ethic of war? So you are becoming more and more boring with saying same things about every discussion. We are brainwashed. We are stupid bla bla bla.

In reality, You are brainwashed and You have no capacity to comment history because of your closed minds.

I wish that you can talk about atrocities your nation did at anaolia.

Bla bla bla. When did ankara become homeland of greeks. Also, It was greek who attacked ottomans. You can discuss about history as much as you want but this does not change reality.

Also, It is greece who paid for her unethical act and You can read at lousane treaty which is signed by your goverment.

What the hell? So killing turks is not a crime. Look who is talking about humanity. an unhuman fasist.

Quick question: have you ever read a non-Turkish history book?

Maybe you should learn to read first (since you obviously didn’t understand my comment on the term “genocide”), then attempt to read actual history, including the Treaty of Lausanne.

I probably shouldn’t comment on your spelling because I hope English is your second language.

And just for argument’s sake, you had no business in Anatolia in the first place.

As for calling me a fascist…again, I ask you to read some non-Turkish history. Apparently your government doesn’t let your schools teach that Turkey sided with the Germans in both world wars.

[Palavra]

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I am realy wasting my time with you. Your idea about genocide is as funny as your new arguments.(What is your new argument. Hmm. My bad english. My goverment and Turkish school and If I ever read non-Turkish history book or not. These are no arguments.)

My friend, You ethnic cleansed turks from greece and we ethnic cleansed greeks from anatolia. Unlike armenians, Greece totally cooperated with Turkey at these ethnic cleansing.So dont waste my time with your stupidy.

Greece was as much cruel as Turkey.(If not more cruel.)

[Alexandros]

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Question to our extremely brainfilthy Eddo from a multibrainwashed and probably doesnt know what he is saying Turk:

While you recognize the millions of Genocides commited by Turks against Armenians (no offence), Greeks, Pontians, Assyrians, Kurds, Arabs, Pollacks, Bosnians, Serbs, Hungarian, Polish, Yezidis, Berbers, Palestinians, j.e.w.s, Georgians, Porgians, Red Indians, Chinese, Australian aboriginies and the millions of ants we destroy stepping on them every year... are there any Genocides that you acknowledge that involved the massacre of Turks?

hitite,

don`t you think there`s a difference between a "massacre" and a "genocide"?

The school books in Greece do mention about the massacres committed by the Greeks against the Turks in Tripolitsa, 1821 and the burning of the Bulgarian villages in the second Balkan war.

[gorgona]

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I am realy wasting my time with you. Your idea about genocide is as funny as your new arguments.(What is your new argument. Hmm. My bad english. My goverment and Turkish school and If I ever read non-Turkish history book or not. These are no arguments.)

My friend, You ethnic cleansed turks from greece and we ethnic cleansed greeks from anatolia. Unlike armenians, Greece totally cooperated with Turkey at these ethnic cleansing.So dont waste my time with your stupidy.

Greece was as much cruel as Turkey.(If not more cruel.)

I thought I stated clearly that I would try to avoid criticizing your English in the assumption that it is your second language. That would be unfair as I could not possibly be able to communicate in Turkish. The fact that I believe that you have only read Turkish propaganda is not an argument, it is only an observation.

If Greece had “ethnically cleansed” Turks from Greece, there certainly would not be Turkish members of Greek parliament today. How many Greeks currently participate in Turkey’s government?

And, my friend, Turks had no business being in Greece (including Anatolia) in the first place. Violence committed in trying to free one’s country from an invader is justified. Are you trying to tell me that if “modern” day Turkey had been invaded by let’s say Australians, you wouldn’t react violently? I suggest you try to sell your story to people who don’t know what really happened.

[gorgona]

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The school books in Greece do mention about the massacres committed by the Greeks against the Turks in Tripolitsa, 1821 and the burning of the Bulgarian villages in the second Balkan war.

That is one major difference between Greece and Turkey. Greeks are taught all our history--the good along with the bad. In Turkey they are taught that “ancient sea peoples” created all the ancient theaters, temples and works of art. Greeks are not mentioned. They even try to pass off Pontic dances and music as Turkish.

Shall we talk about the Turkish law against denigrating Turkishness? Do they really think they’re really getting the full story?

[merhayrenik]

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I smell rats here, somebody is trying to create tensions between Greeks and Armenians.

[Palavra]

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I thought I stated clearly that I would try to avoid criticizing your English in the assumption that it is your second language. That would be unfair as I could not possibly be able to communicate in Turkish

Than you should never mention it. Anyway, It is not much important.

The fact that I believe that you have only read Turkish propaganda is not an argument, it is only an observation.

You had not enough knowledge about me. So you cannot observe me. I am sure, You are making this observation about every turk you met.

If Greece had “ethnically cleansed” Turks from Greece, there certainly would not be Turkish members of Greek parliament today. How many Greeks currently participate in Turkey’s government?

do you realy think that after 500 year, Ottomans just left so less people at greece? dont you have any idea about what was population exchange(and why did pontus people go greece?)? You even exiled greek muslims at crete.

Anyway, They are not turkish members, They are muslim members. Remember. Otherwise, Your goverment can angry too you.

And, my friend, Turks had no business being in Greece (including Anatolia) in the first place.

Turks had bussines at anatolia like greeks have business at persia or egypt. Your ancestors both alexander great and byzantium was an empire which expanded others land. So It is ironic for greeks to cry about expansion of others..

Anyway, anatolia was not greek too..

Violence committed in trying to free one’s country from an invader is justified.

That is what your ancestors did when they rebelled ottomans. They began to kill their muslim neigbors. Violence is accepted only against soldiers not civilians..

Are you trying to tell me that if “modern” day Turkey had been invaded by let’s say Australians, you wouldn’t react violently?

That is totally unrelated. Ottomans did not attack greece at ww1. Greece attacked anatolia after ww1 when ottomans were weak. To unlucy, Ottomans were not enough weak for greece.

do you think, Turkey have right to attack greece because of turkish majority at eastern thrace and please spare me with 1000 year history bullxxxx.

That is one major difference between Greece and Turkey. Greeks are taught all our history--the good along with the bad.

Haha. Realy so, what about chams? greeks atrocity at their rebellion, exile of crete muslims. or what greeks did at cyprus. do they teach these at school books? Greece is even banned word of "Turk" at greece.

Turkey they are taught that “ancient sea peoples” created all the ancient theaters, temples and works of art.

That is not true.

They even try to pass off Pontic dances and music as Turkish.

It is not greek dance or music. All people at eastern blacksea has that dance and music. Greeks, Turks or laz.

Shall we talk about the Turkish law against denigrating Turkishness? Do they really think they’re really getting the full story?

Shall we talk about greece ban about "Turk". Greece is not better than Turkey.

[Alexandros]

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That is one major difference between Greece and Turkey. Greeks are taught all our history--the good along with the bad. In Turkey they are taught that “ancient sea peoples” created all the ancient theaters, temples and works of art. Greeks are not mentioned. They even try to pass off Pontic dances and music as Turkish.

Shall we talk about the Turkish law against denigrating Turkishness? Do they really think they’re really getting the full story?

Turkey has actually amended the law - because of Turkey`s ambition to join the EU - from "insulting Turkishness" to "insulting the Turkish nation" and the maximum jail sentence from three years has been reduced to two, and requires the justice minister to approve any investigation into possible violations.

There are some EU countries who have similar laws where you are not allowed to insult the country but in Turkey, it seems that Article 301 - which now has been amended as I mentioned above - could still be used in a way to silence dissidents who for example wants the AG to be recognized.Just take the online petiton "I apologize" that was started recently by some Turkish intellectuals.Although they didn`t even mention the term "genocide" they could be prosecuted under the amended article 301 for "insulting the Turkish nation".I`m not saying though that the laws concerning the media, press freedom and freedom of thought in the EU countries are perfect however I would argue that they are not as harsh as in Turkey.

[gorgona]

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I smell rats here, somebody is trying to create tensions between Greeks and Armenians.

Not gonna happen.