Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

I believe Joe Biden in this case. He's very outspoken and does not pull any punches.

But why he is telling this now.

It may be politically motivated because of coming elections in USA. Democrats want to regain Armenians confidence by blaming Serj Sargsyan. I think this time we shouldn't play the games planed by others, it's not favorable for us in any case.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

It may well have been that Joe Biden “meant” Turkey applied pressure on us not to pass this resolution ........etc..

It may have been that Turkey pressured Armenia to ask the US during the negotiations ..... etc..

There were (are) commercial interests in the background in Armenia who may well have applied pressure on SS arguing money is more valuable than honour ...

It may well have been pure naivety of SS’s to treat the recognition issue as a bargaining chip.


In the mean time, the only person who made a comment about this was Joe Biden, and until he substantiates his statement his credibility is on the line.

In the mean time the nation ( and the opposition parties) have to be vigilant because we just do not know what the hell is being done on our behalf.

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[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

It’s hard to believe, but that high ranking politician can’t tell something like that w/o having evidence to prove his words. Let’s see ...

It is 100% believable (that the Armenian President lobbied against recognition). I'm sure this position of the Armenian government is related to what I wrote in another thread about the Armenian government hindering and opposing attempts at getting Azerbaijan's destruction of the Julfa graveyard investigated and recognised internationally. In both cases, Armenia just wants to keep the pot bubbling away quietly at a low level - not let it get cold, and not risk it ever boiling over - lest it gets out of control. Dictatorships like to have total control and predictability.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

It is 100% believable (that the Armenian President lobbied against recognition). I'm sure this position of the Armenian government is related to what I wrote in another thread about the Armenian government hindering and opposing attempts at getting Azerbaijan's destruction of the Julfa graveyard investigated and recognised internationally. In both cases, Armenia just wants to keep the pot bubbling away quietly at a low level - not let it get cold, and not let it ever boil - lest it get out of control. Dictatorships like to have total control and predictability.

Can you rationalize as to why?

What is the ultimate strategy.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turks killed 1,500,000 Armenians to seize their land, home and property. Now ...

National Security Council in Ankara decided ... to remove Armenia from list of countries that pose threat to Turkey.

they want to hit following two desired goals using the bullet above:

First: posing to the world like a good guy, at no expense to Turkey, as opposed to Armenia.

Secondly: after getting praised for this move by the world/superpowers and later on, by Armenian officials; who in advance had been “slightly urged” by US. Turks would be sure that “friendly" Armenia, doesn’t pose a threat to them, can’t demand retribution of their land, home and property above; because it "violates" Turkey’s “territorial integrity” and it would contradict “good will” act the Armenian side praised, too.

I’m sure, our FM Edvard Nal-bandyan wouldn’t notice/predict and criticize the trap above; to comply with the dictate and praise Turkey.

Turkey can look like a good guy only after accepting AG.
In this case it looks like a cheap guy.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

America is loosing its face worldwide as a human rights defender.

Just pay attention that in the foreign relations committee all the members in their speeches recognized AG as a historical truth but regardless the fact about half of them openly declared that recognizing the fact is not profitable for the United States.

Eventually unveiling nowadays USA real face world wide. Thus Hillary Clinton on behalf of America declared that (by urging the committee members; vote against AG acceptance) when they judge a criminal: the sentence will depend on profitability of the court decision to USA and if it is not, the victim should be sentenced, instead.

Hillary Clinton is the very politician, in nowadays world, I've seen, for whom justice and truth doesn't worth a penny.

This proves that for some of the nowadays USA politicians Judah Iscariot’s image is the most typical: 30 silver coins matters most.

History is inclined to repeat itself.

[Frank]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Turkey is obviously a great independent leader as is America and other great leading countries on this planet. I have no skills or education leading a country but am International recognised in civil Security Risk Management and Assessments and would like to respectfully say; If a country that is evident - that countries point of view has not, will not, is not moving forward that country will lead/let its people down. WHY WOULD YOU WANT THIS? AND WHO WOULD WANT THIS IS A RISK! Empowering a country that is not moving forward millions of people knowingly and unknowingly will suffer. Depends on who/where they get help from how long do you think the power will last/how will the power be used?

Understand/learn the facts, what has occured - evidence of what we already have shows Turkey is Turkey and no less. If anything moving forward is what Turkey will always do and has always been doing right from the beginning of the word RUM . Remember people decide on there leader not the leader, a country that had always the best leader has obvious the smart people. Lets say turkey splits (Allah korusun) you think people of Turkey not just in Turkey will sleep knowing what there fathers did for them is lost or shared without benifit like rent.

Turkey is not free, who ever wants it will pay.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

When a country is afraid to apply democratic norms such as minority rights etc
because it is “afraid” it will lead to a breakup you can see how “fragile” that country is.

It also says a lot about its prospects, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Cannot develop fully because it cannot democratise. Cannot democratise because it could split.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

When a country is afraid to apply democratic norms such as minority rights etc
because it is “afraid” it will lead to a breakup you can see how “fragile” that country is.

It also says a lot about its prospects, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Cannot develop fully because it cannot democratise. Cannot democratise because it could split.

Giving more rights to “minorities” (Kurds are 20 million, and the concealed Armenians etc. ... will make more than 50% of current population) means that Seljuk’s will agree turning down their "proudness" of being Turk/barbarian (quoted in their constitution).

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Giving more rights to “minorities” (Kurds are 20 million, and the concealed Armenians etc. ... will make more than 50% of current population) means that Seljuk’s will agree turning down their "proudness" of being Turk/barbarian (quoted in their constitution).

Ojalan calls Kurds taking the streets to repeat Egypt scenario. It would be an extraordinary march of millions ... will see.