U.S. House of Representatives adopts Armenian Genocide Amendment

[HyeJinx1984]

So where are we building Neo-Ani?

[xBaron Dants]

So where are we building Neo-Ani?

Oh, we're not going to build that. We're just going to build a fence on its North, South and West sides. After that, some renovations will suffice.

[Darorinag]

Or maybe this is the attitude that makes Armenians so unenthused when it comes to being active. I mean, Armenians themselves don't really do as much as they can. I look at Serj Tankian who is at the moment my favorite Armenian of all time. Through charities, music, orginizations, programs and Armenian-agenda pushing projects he is an inspiration to me.. and I really don't see many people in the Armenian community doing the same. Maybe if we didn't sit around and say "Eh, nothing will come of it" we may actually be able to stand up and make a difference.

Umm, there's nothing wrong with being realistic and assessing your enemy's actions and coordinate changes.. It doesn't mean you're saying "it's pointless" or "nothing will come out of it."

[HyeJinx1984]

Oh, we're not going to build that. We're just going to build a fence on its North, South and West sides. After that, some renovations will suffice.

Speaking of Ani, I was gonna name my company "The Lion Gate" but since there's already a "Lion's Gate" that would get all confusing.. oh well.

[HyeJinx1984]

Umm, there's nothing wrong with being realistic and assessing your enemy's actions and coordinate changes.. It doesn't mean you're saying "it's pointless" or "nothing will come out of it."

True, but arm-chair warriors don't help either, not that I'm saying in any way that you are one. Simply by being here an dsharing ideas and talking about these things we';re being more active than 90% of the people out there.. but we're still not doing as much as we can..... simply because there's no such thing as enough.

[Darorinag]

True, but arm-chair warriors don't help either, not that I'm saying in any way that you are one. Simply by being here an dsharing ideas and talking about these things we';re being more active than 90% of the people out there.. but we're still not doing as much as we can..... simply because there's no such thing as enough.

So what should regular Armenians do? Yes, the rabiz folk in glendale aren't helping at all, but your average Armenian is not born a propagandist, really. Or an activist. Plus, if you want to be heard these days, you must have connections or money (like the book publishing business). I suppose we could produce more genocide historians than we have right now, but I think we're clear on that anyway. Our concern is mainly politics. And politics is where we're failing. Anyway, Armenians should spend less time worrying about which party (Rep. or Dem.) to lobby for. It's not gonna make any difference which party they lobby for, because both are faithful to Israel, and as long as they are, nothing will come out of it. And it doesn't hurt to be realistic about these things. On the contrary, I think it provides us with a better perspective, that would enable us, in the future, to find other means to enhance our cause.

[HyeJinx1984]

Before I ever allow my dreams to get TOO big (yea right...), is there any loop hole in which we could undo that treaty signed years ago between Turkey and Armenia stating that the territories taken by us would remain in Turkey's possession?

[Darorinag]

At the risk of sounding pessimistic - It matters very little. Who's going to enforce it? Armenians? Yeah right. Like we could. USA? Yeah right. Like it would..

Armenians should do what Jews did. Focus more on propaganda. Yes, propaganda. Damn, at this point, it doesn't matter who's right historically and who's wrong. I see the Turks producing huge amounts of propaganda, while Armenians naively sticking to their "historians" without even providing ANY propaganda support to these intellectuals. How long can they last against the propaganda dished out by the deniers? The problem is, we're too "moral" in our attempts to get the genocide recnogised. We must use more propaganda, even at the risk of sounding like Jews. At this point, I care very little. Because if we wait for another 80 years, you better scratch genocide recognition off your list of things to support. Propaganda is the answer.The Soviets did it. The Allies did it. The Jews did it. The Nazis did it (and it brought them the immense support). In other words, they all succeeded.

[jilbagh]

http://speaker.house.gov/library/intrelations/040716SchiffAmend.shtml

[HyeJinx1984]

I've never been against propoganda as a way to get your point across.