Do you want revenge?

[karakitap]

You bastards are the reason Count Dracula turned into a vampire.

Thanx to correct me.

[sadi]

International commisions, internation commision, ENOUGH

It's like some murderer enters your house, kills you father, rapes your mother, butchers your children and then next day, says you know we should have a commision to decide if I indeed killed you people. Stop waving this whorish commision in our face. .

Ohh.... what an unfortunate post... If you have a problem,then you should go a "court" to say and prove your own case....

You are denying to go a court.You are screaming in the middle of the street for your case... It is impossible for you to go a court instead of making noise in the street... Because,the real story comes to light....!!!

[Red Brigade]

What court is that?Do you think we live in a world of justice idiot?If we did America wouldnt invade everywhere for their oil.The INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS (IAGS) has already recognised the Armenian Genocide.So there is nothing to debate about.The only historians who deny the Armenian Genocide are Turkish and some few foreigners which you bought.
One week ago your fascist country rejected the First Conference of ONLY Turkish Historians and said everyone is a traitor and you didnt opened your so-called Ottoman archieves.Imagine what would happen if there were Armenian historians . There is nothing to talk about.You are hypocrites and we know very well your little games ala Turca.A cunning nation you were...a cunning nation you will always be.If you can counter the Genocide accusations stop crying in our Forums and go in the International Assosiation Of Genocides and complain to them and show them your proofs that there wasnt a Genocide please.


http://www.genocidewatch.org/Meeting...HOLARS2005.htm

[karakitap]

What court is that?Do you think we live in a world of justice idiot?If we did America wouldnt invade everywhere for their oil.The INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GENOCIDE SCHOLARS (IAGS) has already recognised the Armenian Genocide.So there is nothing to debate about.The only historians who deny the Armenian Genocide are Turkish and some few foreigners which you bought.
One week ago your fascist country rejected the First Conference of ONLY Turkish Historians and said everyone is a traitor and you didnt opened your so-called Ottoman archieves.Imagine what would happen if there were Armenian historians . There is nothing to talk about.You are hypocrites and we know very well your little games ala Turca.A cunning nation you were...a cunning nation you will always be.If you can counter the Genocide accusations stop crying in our Forums and go in the International Assosiation Of Genocides and complain to them and show them your proofs that there wasnt a Genocide please.


http://www.genocidewatch.org/Meeting...HOLARS2005.htm

Amen.

[Armenian]

You bastards are the reason Count Dracula turned into a vampire.

Cute

[winoman]

Yes, which governments....

Why only a dozen counries have accepted it? Why over 180 countries have nor recognize it?

This is a non-issue as it involves politics and not truth. Whether or not a nation passes a resolution concerning this event or anything is immaterial and these things are rather uncommon for historical events in any case. If few (or any) nations pass a condemnation of Stalin for having murdered millions and sent more to the Gulag does this mean that it did not happen?

is there a court decision? no..

International Center for Transitional Justice (ICTJ) Report Prepared for TARC:

The Applicability of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide to Events which Occurred During the Early Twentieth Century

Legal Analysis Prepared for the International Center for Transitional Justice

February 4, 2003

"...elements identified above have been definitively established, the Events, viewed collectively, can thus be said to include all of the elements of the crime of genocide as defined in the Convention, and legal scholars as well as historians, politicians, journalists and other people would be justified in continuing to so describe them."

is there a commission? no...

What sort of commision?

is there a UN resolution? no...

UN Permanent Peoples' Tribunal
April 16, 1984

Verdict of the Tribunal


the Tribunal hereby finds that:

1. the Armenian population did and do constitute a people whose fundamental rights, both individual and collective, should have been and shall be respected in accordance with international law;


2. the extermination of the Armenian population groups through deportation and massacre constitutes a crime of genocide not subject to statutory limitations within the definition of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of December 9, 1948. With respect to the condemnation of this crime, the aforesaid Convention is declaratory of existing law in that it takes note of rules which were already in force at the time of the incriminated acts;


3. the Young Turk government is guilty of this genocide, with regard to the acts perpetrated between 1915-1917;


4. the Armenian genocide is also an 'international crime' for which the Turkish state must assume responsibility, without using the pretext of any discontinuity in the existence of the state to elude that responsibility;


5. this responsibility implies first and foremost the obligation to recognize officially the reality of this genocide and the consequent damages suffered by the Armenian people;


6. the United Nations Organization and each of its members have the right to demand this recognition and to assist the Armenian people to that end.

is there a teror air for intellectual and scientific thought... yes.....

69 historians sponsored by Turkey.... Why you phuceked them ? you could only prove they are sponsored by Turks...

let us examine the background of these 69 - "the majority of American
academic experts on the late Ottoman history".

All of the signatories of the ad have at some time studied, taught or written
about some aspects of Turkey -- history, anthropology, linguistics, literature,
political science, or folklore.

But an analysis of their areas of expertise reveals a striking fact:
of the 69 signatories, only 8 are concerned solely with the 20th Century, the
period encompassing the Armenian genocide. Another 10 are scholars of the 19th and 20th Century. Put together, only 26% of the signatories are scholars on the broad subject of pre-republican Turkish history during the 19th and 20th Centuries.

Closer analysis reveals that only 4 of the 18 scholars of the 19th and 20th
Century history have dealt with the specific topic and period of history in
question, i.e. Turkish Ottoman policy towards the Armenians during and before WW1. These four are Philip Stoddard, Justin McCarthy, Ezel Kural Shaw and her husband, Stanford Shaw.

Of the remaining 14 scholars of the 190th and 20th Century Turkish history,
nine have dealt with the issues peripheral to the Armenian theme, and five
with topics irrelevant to Armenian issues. One example is Heath Lowry, the
current director of the Institute of Turkish Studies in Washington, D.C.
(run by the Turkish government). His area of expertise is the 16th Century
Ottoman Empire.

A significant number of the "scholars" have received fellowships and/or grants from pro-Turkish organizations to conduct their research. In all, 40 of the "scholars" who signed the ad received a total of 65 grants from these two organizations. In addition, departments or universities with which those 40 scholars are affiliated have received more than 170 grants from pro-Turkish institutions.

Ohhh.....You should know that hudreds of millions of dollars to resach and sponsorship have not been allocated by Turkey... !!!!

Fraid you are wrong on this one as well. In addition to Institute of Turkish Studies (ITS) monies (and I have a report on their finances somewhere - and they are significant - in the tens of millions and more) there is ARIT: American Research Institute in Turkey and now a new Institute in Turkey whose exact name escapes me at the moment - but it is specifically charged with Armenian research & issues for the purpose of attempting to dismiss Genocide claims...they promissed all sorts of ground breaking revelations for this last February - though - of course we are still waiting on such...

lets go international commission and submit all your evidences.... it is easier than appealing foreign parliamenters to raise hands! it is easier than begging american presidents to accept it! But,you prefer harder path will do the same in the future..

Boatloads of corroborated evidence exists. You just saying it did not occur isn't good enough.

[sadi]

you didnt opened your so-called Ottoman archieves

How could these scholars resarch events without the Ottoman archieves!!!!!

[sadi]

Winoman,

You always use unknown eyewitnesses,diplomats,charlatans,poets,writers,pa rlimanters,irrelevant,politicians, reporteors and what you find as an evidence...

But,when it comes to the 69 historians...lets we look their backgroud...

This is your method...

[karakitap]

It is useless to discuss anyting with these people sadi, when you critisize their genocide you swear to their identity in reality and they become offensive. They can not discuss anything maturely and calmly since genocide is the religion of these fundemantalists. So lets stop this discussions and lets read and laugh from outside their posts. Turks, they genocided us, they are barbars, they are evil, we are the genocided Armenian nation, we are the first nation that accept Christianity, they raped our families, we are victim, etc....
It is very enjoyable to observe them outside.
So Turks in the forum, lets quit the discussion and have fun.

[winoman]

How could these scholars resarch events without the Ottoman archieves!!!!!

Silly girl - German Archives, Austrian Archives, French Archies, Russian Archives, American Archives, British Archives etc etc and so on and so forth....in addtion to documentation concerning Ottoman Military Tribunals and mounds and mounds of eyewitness reports...

And I wonder how many Turkish researchers today are capable of reading the Arabic script of the Ottoman Archives (what's left of them)...

Additionally there are statements form CUP members concerning deliberate destruction of documents - and that a huge amount of this occured...even prior to your governments purging of the most damning evidence - such as the records of the Ottoman Military tribunals...all gone...they did happen didn't they? Well yes...as the documentation was both published in the offical government newspaper at the time as well as transcripts existing outside of the Ottoman Archives...funny though - they were there at one time...but now they are not - like much else as well....