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    McCarthy is a professional denier

    de Volkskrant (Dutch newspaper)
    Forum
    June 14, 2005

    By Ton Zwaan

    Even though the term "genocide" was invented later, the Turkish act
    in 1915 against the Armenians was most definitely a genocidal process,
    says Ton Zwaan.

    Under the tendentious title "Term 'genocide' for Turkish act
    demonstrably incorrect" (Term 'genocide' voor Turks handelen
    aantoonbaar onjuist), an article by the American historian Justin
    McCarthy was published in de Volkskrant (Forum, June 9).

    In a groundless, hazy and disorderly argumentation replete with
    half-truths and complete untruths, McCarthy attempts to persuade his
    readers that an Armenian genocide never transpired in the Ottoman
    empire in 1915 and 1916. For the benefit of your readers, I would
    like to point out that in serious circles of scholars, a consensus
    has existed for quite some time of the main facts.

    In the years involved an estimated one million members of the Armenian
    minority in the Ottoman Empire became victim of a meticulously planned
    and large-scale persecution, deportation and massacre.

    This systematic persecution and destruction transpired with the
    initiative and under the leadership of the central government at that
    time in Istanbul. Even though the term 'genocide' did not exist then
    (it was only used for the first time in 1944), there can be no doubt
    that this involved a genocidal process.

    The space here lacks to extensively examine McCarthy's argumentation,
    but contrary to what he claims, there was not a "terrible war between
    Turks and Armenians", nor a "great rebellion" by Armenians. He also
    cites the genocide-convention of the UN incompletely and falsely and
    confuses the terms "war" and "genocide".

    His claim on the brilliant and brave Turkish author Orhan Pamuk is
    undoubtedly libelous and his remarks on the Turkish denial policy and
    their reports in American newspapers are silly and wholly unfounded.

    Whoever wants to be informed of the true course of events can read
    recently published good studies, such as:

    Donaid Bloxham: The Great Game of Genocide. Imperialism, Nationalism
    and the Destruction of the Ottoman Armenians (Oxford University
    Press, 2005);

    Jay Winter (red.): America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915 (Cambridge
    University Press, 2003);

    H.L. Kieser en D. Schaller (red.): Der V�lkermord an den Armeniern
    und die Shoah (Chronos, 2003).

    For a summary review in Dutch:

    'De vervolging van de Armeni�rs in . het Ottomaans-Turkse rijk,
    1894-1922', in: Ton Zwaan, Civilisering en decivilisering (Boom, 2001).

    Among bona fide historians McCarthy is known as one of the professional
    deniers, subsidized by the Turkish government.

    The printing of an article such as that without further comment does
    not grace de Volkskrant.

    Ton Zwaan is affiliated with the Center for Holocaust and Genocide
    Studies of the NIOD and the University of Amsterdam.

    PHOTO: Armenian refugees, crowded in boats, looking for rescue on a
    French ship before the Syrian coast, October 1915. FOTO CORBIS



    What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

  • #2
    Mr. McCarthy is a prophet.

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    • #3
      That article along with the one below was forwarded by groong on June 14. I wonder why it would be published twice just days apart...

      -------------------------------------------------

      Fact: Armenians were intentionally deported
      By Jos Weitenberg

      de Volkskrant (Dutch newspaper)
      Forum
      June 14, 2005

      The article by Justin McCarthy on the Armenian genocide is in need of a
      reaction. McCarthy belongs to the few non-Turkish scholars who deny the
      existence of the Armenian genocide. His arguments have been the same for
      years. He shows no inclination to seriously consider the refutal of his
      fellow colleagues.

      Two points stand out in his article. Firstly, the proposition that Armenians
      and Turks were equal opponents in a situation of war. This is a false
      depiction of the case.

      The Armenians were victims of intentional deportation. The able-bodied men were summoned under weapons and killed. The deportations were aimed at unarmed women and children. The deportations were organized and systematically aimed at specific communities (Armenians and Syrians) and ended in the deserts of present Syria. That food was distributed by the
      Ottoman army, as the article claims, is refuted by countless eyewitness
      reports.

      It is true that Armenians incidentally rebelled, that there were armed
      nationalistic revolutionaries and that crimes against the Turkish population
      were committed. To call this rebellion "war" is chutzpah. The discussion
      should at least be kept accurate.

      Secondly, it is evident that McCarthy regrets the silence of the Turkish
      government on the events and declares this "out of fear that the Turkish
      population will seek revenge'. But on who? Since 1915 scarcely any Armenians live in Turkey, evidence in itself of a successful genocide. The few who dared to return after the war were indeed still (vengefully?) killed.

      That the present Turkish population is unfamiliar with the ethnic cleansings
      - of Armenian, Syrians, Greeks and Kurds - that went hand in hand with the
      foundation of modern Turkey in the second and third decades of the twentieth century, is certainly regrettable. Turkey's wish to access the EU finally offers an opportunity to come to terms with these kind of facts.

      McCarthy's article distorts and denies the facts and is not a useful
      addition to reconciliation.

      Jos Weitenberg

      The author is professor of Armenian Studies at Leiden University.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by oneworld
        Mr. McCarthy is a prophet.
        Also is the village idiot!
        Last edited by Siamanto; 06-21-2005, 05:50 PM.
        What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by nairi
          It is true that Armenians incidentally rebelled, that there were armed
          nationalistic revolutionaries and that crimes against the Turkish population
          were committed. To call this rebellion "war" is chutzpah. The discussion
          should at least be kept accurate.
          "Chutzpah"!!

          Maybe the discussion should also have avoided the use of informal Jewish-American slang, when it is intended to be read by an audience that is neither Jewish nor American and in a context that is not informal.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bell-the-cat
            "Chutzpah"!!
            I didn't know how else to translate "gotspe", which he used in Dutch. I considered "silly", but it wasn't exactly that...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by nairi
              I didn't know how else to translate "gotspe", which he used in Dutch. I considered "silly", but it wasn't exactly that...
              Ahhh. Sorry - I didn't realise you had translated it.
              thought that they were his actual words as published and thought it strange that an American academic would use Jewish slang in something he had written for a non-american publication. I thought maybe it was because his surname suggests he might be Jewish.

              BTW - I had to look up the meaning of the word!
              Plenipotentiary meow!

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              • #8
                Well, many Jews got their names from Germans and Dutch

                Weitenberg is actually Dutch. He's a very nice man. Leading scholar in Classical Armenian. In fact I took Armenian lessons with him for a while One of his students, Theo van Lint teaches Armenian (I think contemporary lit) at Oxford Uni now Weitenberg will retire soon and the Armenian Studies department in Leiden will die

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                • #9
                  Besides being well paid to lie, does anyone happen to know what Mc Carthy's major malfunction is exactly??
                  If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
                  -George Orwell
                  Thus the highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans; next is to attack their alliances;
                  -Sun Tzu

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by anoush719
                    Besides being well paid to lie, does anyone happen to know what Mc Carthy's major malfunction is exactly??
                    His wife.
                    Plenipotentiary meow!

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