Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!

2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.

8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Swiss Senate washes its hands of "genocide" question

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Swiss Senate washes its hands of "genocide" question

    Well I guess Turkey's cancellation of Swiss Minister of Economy's visit to Ankara because of the arrest of the Turkish politician in Switzerland who denied the genocide paid off...

    "A week is a long time in Swiss-Turkish politics, but diplomatic relations need some serious resuscitation after a miserable ten days for the two countries."

    "Turkey's massacre of Armenians in 1915 will never be an issue for the Swiss Senate, according to the president of the Senate foreign affairs committee."

    Senate washes its hands of "genocide" question

    Turkey's massacre of Armenians in 1915 will never be an issue for the Swiss Senate, according to the president of the Senate foreign affairs committee.

    Peter Briner said other countries had no business pointing the finger at Turkey 90 years after the disputed events.

    Briner said the committee had decided that the death or deportation of 800,000-1.8 million Armenians between 1915 and 1919 would not be the subject of a plenary session.

    He said the committee agreed with the government that it was not parliamentís job to decide on the whether the killings constituted genocide. They have been recognised as such by the parliaments of several countries, including the United States, France, Russia and Italy.

    The Swiss House of Representatives recognised the genocide in 2003. The Swiss government however does not officially speak of "genocide" but of "mass deportation" and "massacre".

    Briner said the committee believed that it was more for the parties involved, namely Turkey and Armenia, to reach an agreement.

    Disagree to disagree

    Briner said a mixed commission of historians had to "work through the terrible events" Ė just as Switzerland had reappraised its history during the Second World War.

    Attempts by international scholars to determine once and for all what really happened between 1915 and 1919 have never got much further than agreeing which two countries were involved.

    In May a group of Turkish historians had to cancel a conference debating the genocide after the Turkish justice minister accused them of "stabbing Turkey in the back".

    In June Alev KiliÁ, the Turkish ambassador in Bern, told swissinfo that during Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Reyís visit to Turkey in March, the Turkish foreign minister Abdullah GŁl talked about establishing a commission of historians from both sides and opening all files and archives.

    "But of course the proposal has also been made to the Armenian government and we canít establish anything without their agreement. We have still not received a positive reply," KiliÁ said.


    A week is a long time in Swiss-Turkish politics, but diplomatic relations need some serious resuscitation after a miserable ten days for the two countries.

    At the end of July the Swiss ambassador in Ankara had to deflect a barrage of diplomatic flak concerning the Swiss investigation of a Turkish politician who had proffered revisionist views about the Armenian genocide in 1915.

    Then on August 5 the Turkish authorities postponed indefinitely a visit to Turkey in September by Swiss Economics Minister Joseph Deiss, citing agenda problems of his Turkish counterpart.

    Few in Switzerland believe an inability to use a diary was the reason for the cancellation.

    "Thatís a typical diplomatic excuse if you canít think of a better one," said Briner diplomatically.

    "The important thing is that we now show some guts," he said. "I get the impression that the Turkish government wants to placate its people with this sabre-rattling."

    I used to be schizophrenic, but we're ok now...