Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

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Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide is not allowed??

I didnt understand. Are we afraid to talk about the facts? Are the Jevs exempt from everything? I find this hypocritical. What about the other hateful materials in posts? I have the right to criticize Jevs. I am not generalizing all of them. I am not anti-semitic, besides I have some Jevish origin myself! But I am an anti-zionist. My struggle is with the ideas not with some race.

Have you asked yourself why is the Jevish lobby supporting Turkey this much.

Have you asked yourself why the big countries have difficulty in accepting genocide?

Have you asked yourself why a whole international public couldnt do anything for the invasion of Cyprus.

Is Turkey so strong? Who is behind Turkey?

Sabbataism is a fact in Turkey. The founding fathers of Turkey are all Jevish origins and masons. Why was Turkey so easily founded? Why did the French retreat so easily? Why did the English not fight with the Turks? Everything was set up. Turkey was the first step of founding Israel.

When Teodor Hertzl first demanded Palestine from Abdulhamid he was rejected. They overthrew him. Ittihat and Terakki was the puppets of Zionists. Everyone of them was members of the Saloniki mason lodge founded by Emmanuel Karasso. Emmanuel Karasso was in close touch with Hertzl. He was one of the guys who had gone to overthrow Abdulhamid. The Ittihat and Terakki journal was printed by another Russian zionist Jabotinsky. There were also zionists in Germany. The concept of Turkism was created by those guys. They were considering the Turks; the LOST TRIBE of ISRAEL. HAve you known this? The lands that Armenians were on, gathered great value also for the oil.

Now; we may all find those a theory but these are very interesting facts and we should talk about these. We have the right to talk about. Everything cannot be billed on Turks, Kurds, etc... There are other factors. The involvement of Germans, France, England, USA, Zionists. This is a big game. Not easy as it is seen. Complicated. Turks got advantage from the genocide for the land and money, Kurds got advantage from the genocide for the properties and money, Zionists gor themselves a new country that they could control, (also they were on both sides so it was a win-win situation) other imperialists got good lands full of oil, everyone was happy except for the Armenians. They were victims.

All the American missions, German missions, French missions witnessed the Genocide. They reported them. Noone could do anything. Because these so-called christian countries were controlled by some Zionist lobbies. They shared Osmanli and founded Turkey as a bribe to Turkish Sabbataians. Small nations like Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks were all victims.

This is something I am thinking on. I am sharing my thoughts with people. I am expecting feedback. Maybe I am right maybe wrong. But if you dont allow people to talk about this topic you will prevent freedom of expression of thought. So please...

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Zionist involvement in the Armenian Genocide


The Zionists See An Opportunity for Plunder

A key portion of your question is often overlooked yet surprisingly clear: "What role did the xxxs play?" An often overused but true cliché is that history repeats itself. In the case of the Armenian Genocide, history has repeated itself. Not only do key figures of the xxxish Diaspora today, Israeli leaders, xxxish religious leaders, and so-called xxxish historians deny the Armenian Genocide outright with blatant ferocity, the past representatives of these same groups were intimately involved with the implementation of the Armenian Genocide itself! I would never utilize open-ended statements without documentation and I know there are those who will read this interview and discredit what I am about to explain by claiming these are "so-called, Armenian generated statements". Let us put that to rest by referring to sources provided by the meticulously kept German and Austrian archives, United States literature, and yes, even xxxish documentation.

The following quote by a xxxish writer (sic!) will explain to your readers in one sentence the whole reason the Turks systematically slaughtered the Armenians:

From The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide, Yair Auron. p.146. “Now the xxxs are rejoicing that they will be able to take the place of the Armenians in economic and commercial activity.”

Henry Morgenthau, American Ambassador stationed in Constaninople

Let us begin with Henry Morgenthau, American Ambassador stationed in Constaninople. Though he was xxxish and desperately wanted to hide the Zionist involvement in the Armenian Genocide, he pinpointed the problem of the Ottoman rulers. Here he describes the savage Young Turk officers and the Turkish population in general, however he desperately attempts to hide the culprits and wants attention diverted from the REAL architects of the Armenian Holocaust:
http://www.ku.edu/~libsite/wwi-www/m...u/Morgen27.htm http://www.ku.edu/~libsite/wwi-www/m...u/Morgen22.htm
"The danger for Turkey in the Armenian question is one of extinction. For this reason she resorts to an act of a barbarous Asiatic state; she has destroyed the Armenians to such an extent that they will not be able to manifest themselves as a political force for a considerable period. A horrible act, certainly, an act of political despair, shameful in its details, but still a piece of political history, in the Asiatic manner."


"This wild horde swept from the plains of Central Asia and, like a whirlwind, overwhelmed the nations of Mesopotamia and Asia Minor; it conquered Egypt, Arabia, and practically all of northern Africa and then poured into Europe, crushed the Balkan nations, occupied a large part of Hungary, and even established the outposts of the Ottoman Empire in the southern part of Russia...They were lacking in what we may call the fundamentals of a civilized community. They had no alphabet and no art of writing; no books, no poets, no art, and no architecture; they built no cities and they established no lasting state. They knew no law except the rule of might, and they had practically no agriculture and no industrial organization. They were simply wild and marauding horsemen, whose one conception of tribal success was to pounce upon people who were more civilized than themselves and plunder them....Constantinople's finest architectural monument, the Mosque of St. Sophia, was originally a Christian church, and all so-called Turkish architecture is derived from the Byzantine. The mechanism of business and industry has always rested in the hands of the subject peoples, Greeks, xxxs (false), Armenians, and Arabs. The Turks have learned little of European art or science, they have established very few educational institutions, and illiteracy is the prevailing rule."

Ironically, Morgenthau was close toTalaat Pasha and the other Young Turk leaders. What transpired between them, some of it was written in this book, however, as far as we know nothing was ever mentioned by Morgenthau about the xxxs of The Ottoman Empire. One has to wonder how could this be? Actually, the above Morgenthau sounds Pro-Armenian. However, what did he do to stop the Armenian Genocide? Nothing. The Zionist movement was taking form in the United States and Morgenthau being xxxish must have had some knowledge about Talaat and Enver Pasha's relationship(s) with the Zionist movement because prominent xxxs promised to fight and spy in Palestine against the Entente. These were ALL invasions, NOT wars and the main purpose of these invasions was the plunder of the wealth the productive Armenians managed to accumulate and the theft of our ancestral lands. It’s a wonder that we even exist today! Even Morgenthau who “supposedly” made please to the Turks on behalf of the Armenians was all a farce in my opinion and I believe he was only trying to redirect the blame of the real culprits of the Armenian Genocide, namely the xxxs, onto the Turks and mostly the Germans. Origins of the Young Turks (Committee of Union and Progress) From The Secret xxxs, Joachim Prinz, 1973, pp. 111-122

The Young Turk movement’s leadership consisted of primarily Donmeh or secret xxxs. The Donmè ("convert" in Turkish) was a Hebrew heresy whose followers converted to Islam in the 18th century. They were most heavily concentrated in Thessaloniki. According to the Great Hellenic Encyclopedia [Megali Elliniki Enkiklopethia]: "It is generally accepted that the Donmè secretly continue to adhere to the Hebrew religion and don't allow their kind to intermarry with the Muslims." The disproportionate power and influence (in light of their number) that the Donmè had on both the Ottoman Empire and on the Young Turk movement has been the subject of a great deal of commentary by many observers and researchers. The eminent British historian, R. Seton Watson, in his book, The Rise of Nationality in the Balkans. London, 1917 (H Gennisi tou Ethnikismou sta Valkania), wrote the following: "The real brains behind the [Itihàt] movement were xxxs or Islamic-xxxs. The wealthy Donmè and xxxs of Thessaloniki supported [the Young Turks] economically, and their fellow xxxish capitalists in Vienna and Berlin -- as well as in Budapest and possibly Paris and London -- supported them financially as well. In the January 23rd, 1914, issue of the Czarist Police [Okrana] Ledger (Number 16609), directed to the Ministry of the Exterior in Saint Petersburg, we read: "A pan-Islamic convention of Itihàts and xxxs was held in the Nouri Osman lodge in Constantinople. It was attended by approximately 700 prominent Itihàts and xxxs, including "Minister" Talaàt Bey, Bentri Bey, Mbekri Bey, and (Donmè) Javit Bey. Among the many xxxs in attendance, two of the most prominent were the Head of the Security Service, Samouel Effendi, and the Vice-Administrator of the Police, Abraham Bey." The numerous Donmè in positions of authority within the machinery of the Itihàt government, as well as on the powerful Central Committee, strengthens the conviction that their influence was widespread and vital to the cause. Ignoring the names mentioned in the Czarist Police Ledger, and even ignoring such xxxs as the fanatical Pan-Turkic [Marxist revolutionary and poet, Hikmet] Nazim, or even the many casual allusions [as if it were common knowledge at the time] to the xxxish descent of that most dedicated believer in the Young Turk movement, Mustapha Kemal "Atatürk," one still finds oneself wondering by what authority and under whose auspices was such an obscure xxxish Donmè from Thessaloniki, by the name of Emmanouel Karasso, able to become a member of the three-man committee that announced his dethronement to Sultan Abdul Hamid after the counter-coup of April 1909?

Compelling, too, is the widely referenced document which states that Constantine, the King of Greece at the time, characterized the entire Young Turk movement as composed of "Israelites." According to the facts presented in her book, Glory and Partisanship, the Greek professor of the University of Vienna, Polychroni Enepekithi, contends that Constantine made that characterization while complaining to the German Ambassador in Athens about the outrages committed by Young Turks against Hellenes living in the Ottoman Empire. The xxxs wanted the Sultan (Abdul Hamid) to sell them Palestine by bringing to him and offering a large chest of gold, which he refused and in anger (he reportedly kicked over a tea table) told the xxxs that the Turks had paid for Armenia in blood, so if the xxxs wanted Palestine, they would have to pay in blood and this they did by sacrificing the xxxs that Hitler only wanted to deport but the Zionist leaders refused and offered their lives as a sacrifice and their blood as payment for a xxxish state, namely Palestine. Zionist leaders had made this amongst many other similar comments: ”The European xxxs must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "xxxish State" at the end of the war.” This and much more can be found at the URL below and there are numerous other Zionists quoted for similar comments n many, many books and in many, many websites.


"One often overlooked fact of history that has been suppressed is the genocide committed against the Armenians in 1915. There are several reasons for this. The xxxish/Israeli denials of the Armenian Genocide today are nothing new or recent. In 1895-1896 the Turks massacred more than 300,000 Armenians which to me or any other person of reason would consider as a genocide, in which the xxxs also participated, both actively taking part and in way of denials.
"The lower class xxxs, in several parts of the town, aided the Turks in slaughtering their Christian neighbors; but their sole object was plunder."

(August 1896) From "The Sultan and his Subjects" 1907 By Richard Davey. P 393.


"With regard to the Armenians, here we must remember the past. The defunct Hamelitz, in its day, lauded the participation of the Sephardic xxxs together with the Turks in the massacre of the Armenians in Constantinople in 1895. And then there were the pogroms in Odessa and cities in the south, and among the sainted defenders we find the Armenian students who were killed while saving us. Let us not forget! Few were the Russians and the Poles who defended us, but according to estimates, among those who especially came to our aid were the Armenians and their cousins, the Georgians. Let us not forget how they treated us and how we treated their misfortune."

From The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide, Yair Auron. p. 137.


"The fact xxxs were involved in the acts of murder of Armenians in 1895 and 1896 is confirmed by internal xxxish archival documentation."

From The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide, Yair Auron. p. 150. At that time (1895-1896), Theodore Herzl (the father of Zionism) had great influence in the European press and he used this influence to have the European press report that the stories of Armenians being massacred by the Turks were all lies.


"The Sultan's desire to tamper with the British press was futile. In this matter, he receives help from an unexpected quarter: from Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, who believed that by discrediting Armenians in Europe he would gain the support of the sultan for his plans for the colonization of Palestine. Herzl managed to influence journalistic opinion slightly in the sultan's favour."

From The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide, Yair Auron. p. 160.


“Early in the century when Theodore Hertzl sought to secure land in Palestine, he offered Sultan Abdul Hamid his influence with the European press to dissipate the unfavorable image of the Ottomans vis a vis the Armenian massacres.” (Azbarez 8.1.87) This he did to gain the Sultan’s favor, again in an attempt to secure Palestine for the xxxs. However! Many Zionists were indeed involved up to their eyebrows in the Armenian Genocide from beginning to end of the Armenian Genocide of 1915, from it’s planning stages “Zionist plans for the Palestinian people anticipated the Ottoman solution for the Armenians, who would be slaughtered in the first sustained genocide of the 20th century.”

From The Hidden History of Zionism. By Ralph Schoenman.

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The horrifying extermination of a million and a half Christians of Anatolia and Cilicia, of hard working, proud Armenians, artists, builders of the Christian and Seljuk monuments of Minor Asia, will remain the unexplainable Genocide of modern times and forever stigmatizing the honor of Western intelligentsia dominated by the xxxs. According to the irrefutable report, Lepsius (1916-1919), this terrible destruction was systematically prepared and perpetrated, from 1915 to 1918, by the Lodge of Salonica, in the presence of the ambassadors to Stamboul: Wangenheim, German, and Morgenthau, American, Israelite master franc-mason very influential which did not do anything effective to prevent it. This massacre was known and followed, in its preparation and its execution, by the Zionist organizations of New York, London and Berlin, present in the significant Israelite community of Istanbul, you would find David Ben Gurion, Ottoman lawyer*, witnessed of the most minute actions and gestures of Turkish governments. *David Ben Gurion, born in Poland in 1885, Zionist of the first wave, lawyer in Istanbul in 1913, lucid witness of the preparations and the execution of the massacres of Armenians and the Lebanese one, and is an accessory. He went to London, in 1918, to constitute the xxxish Legion for the occupation of Palestine. (Approximate translation from the original in French) La Honte Sioniste By Lucien Cavro-Demars. P 19. According to NILI chronicler Anita Engle, "Aaron was the first and at that time the only one in Palestine to recognize the possibility of uniting British and xxxish interests in the Middle East. Official Zionism, which had its headquarters in Berlin still maintained that the xxxish future was bound up in the future of Turkey." Indeed, David Ben Gurion, the pioneering Zionist leader and Israel's legendary statesman and politician, went to Constantinople in 1912 to study Turkish law at the University there. In his book of recollections, he explains: "in order to get anywhere with the Turkish authorities we needed to know the Turkish language, Turkish law and more about the Ottoman system of government." And in fact for Ben Gurion learning Turkish law was just the beginning. "My idea was to go to Turkey, study law, and thus equip myself with the necessary professional training to stand for Parliament. I would get a seat in Parliament, and then I would become the xxxish member of the Ottoman Government...I thought that I would be close enough to the seat of power to be able to advance the development and progress of the xxxs in Palestine."

http://www.xxxsweek.com/israel/123.htm

“...in fact Palestinian Zionism had rushed to the support of the Turks; Ben-Gurion and Shochat and their friends had offered to setup a Zionist militia to police the country - which would have freed Turkish troops for duty elsewhere.” The Iron Wall Lenni Brenner The Hidden History of Zionism Chapter 2 Zionist Objectives "Zionist plans for the Palestinian people anticipated the Ottoman solution for the Armenians, who would be slaughtered in the first sustained genocide of the 20th century." "From its inception, the Zionist movement sought the "Armenianization" of the Palestinian people. Like the Native Americans, the Palestinians were regarded as "a people too many." The logic was elimination; the record was to be one of genocide." "When the Armenians escaping the Turkish genocide settled in Palestine they were welcomed. The genocide was ominously defended by Vladimir Jabotinsky and other Zionists in their attempts to obtain Turkish support."

Source: balkanunity.org


From: http://www.abbc.com, Radio Islam:

In 1841, London appointed Samuel Montefiore in Sydney to head the colonial government bank, named Bank of New South Whales, now renamed to Westpac Corporation. Soon, the thrifty Fairfax brothers were supervisors and later became bank directors. In these positions, they acquired the ailing Government Gazette, then Australia's only colonial newspaper, and renamed it to Sydney Morning Herald. At that time, the French colonial foe, although badly disabled for some 50 years through the French Revolution in 1789, again became increasingly unpleasant on the open seas. Rotschild agents in the Middle East, where Palestine is, reported about a certain Frenchman, named Lesseps, who had set out to corner the sea routes to East Asia. Lesseps dug a ditch from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean, called the Suez Canal, scheduled for completion by 1867. It was rumored, that he would stop English shipping from using it. This was to be prevented by all means. With instructions and 'specialized' manpower - the forerunner of MI6 dates back to 1688 - from London, Samuel Montefiore and the Fairfax brethren now took concerted action in the gold land, formerly called Nuca Antara, and now Australia: The Bank of NSW sent Rotschild agents into the Australian gold fields, declaring all gold to be the possession of the British crown. British is Hebrew and means covenant man or conspiracy man. The gold diggers were outraged about this exclusive rights claim. In Ballerat and Bendigo, two major Australian gold fields, a political movement named Eureka ( Greek for 'Ahah,' or 'I understand' ) proclaimed an independent state entity. Initially, a large Greek contingent must have lived in Sydney, since its first city map ( suppressed from public viewing ) shows exclusively street names, named after places in Greece and in the Mediterranean Sea. The would-be separatists were crushed by British military. The Fairfax brothers now set-up makeshift bank branches in the gold fields, which paid out a little reward for all gold handed in by the diggers. The reward for an ounce of gold was in the three pence bracket and got the diggers working again. By 1867, in time for the SUEZ CANAL opening celebrations, Moses Montefiore in London hinted to his Queen, 'that the gold for the purchase of a majority share in the Suez Canal was now available.' Nathan Rotschild, owner-governor of England's Reserve Bank forwarded official confirmation to the British Foreign Office. Britannia was in business again. Britannia is Hebrew and means ship in English. The year 1913 became a turning point, focusing on a major Holy Land acquisition campaign, that should yield two very tragic side effects. The British fleet had converted from coal to oil, thus gaining a huge naval advantage over a new rival, not seen as such on the high seas for nearly 3 centuries, Imperial Germany. Already in 1648, mentionable German presence at sea was finished, when Holland, the German seafarer state, seceded from the introverted German hinter-landers. While the new Imperial Germans now laid rails for the Bhagdad Bahn to reach Iraqi oil fields, England cut-off the southern tip of Iraq and declared an independent statelet, Kuwait. The land tip was supposed to serve as a half way fuelling station for shipping, bound for looting India and for opium trade in East Asia.

The initiative for the Grand Plan, the acquisition of the Holy Land, was now taken over by America's silver haired ex-Harvard professor and newly appointed US President Woodrow Wilson. Like President Clinton, Wilson was a gentile front, but guided by Federal Judge Louis Brandeis and Colonel Mandel House. Wilson now arranged for the leading bankers in America, J.P. Morgan, Rothschild, Warburg, Schiff and Kuhn & Loeb to take the US-Reserve Bank management away from federal control and into the bankers 'loving care'. The coup, hastily pushed through senate on 23.12.1913 before an almost empty house and against the votes of Senators Lindbergh and Peyfirette was in clear breach of the US Constitution. Henceforth, the US Federal Reserve Bank was a privately owned and run shareholder company, not unlike a Stationery Printing Business Pty Ltd. In colonial system-civilizations, like USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia, everything has a dollar price. Thus, tobacco millionaire Henry ( Heinrich ) Morgenthau, born 1854 in Mannheim, Germany, could purchase the US-Ambassador posting in Istanbul, the capital of Ottoman Empire. His assignment in Istanbul, in 1913, had a Hidden Agenda. Palestine was under the jurisdiction of the Ottoman Empire. Its modern name is Turkey. The Federal Reserve Bankers, all of them Judaists and Talmudists were out to gain control over the Holy Land. Many contemporary documents about these events are classified and are therefore withdrawn from publication. But in 1984, an essential, first hand account archive file was identified in then East Berlin, Unter den Linden, not far from Brandenburg Gate. It contained a record of General Liman von Sanders, the Imperial German General in charge of the Dardenelles' defense from 1914 to 1917. It was here, where on 25 April 1915, the Australian attack near Gallopoli began (actually Geliboli; concocted by the English tongue tip lisp to Gallipoli ). Ottoman Empire was an Axis Ally, and thus an ally of Germany. By April 1992, after the opening of the Berlin Wall, the file, written by German General Liman von Sanders, had been removed from the archive Unter den Linden, Berlin. German General Liman von Sanders was a xxx, selected to protect the Holy Land. His army's field kitchens even served kosher food. One of von Sander's officers was Hoess, later to become notorious in Auschwitz. Further records of these decisive years, prepared by Germany's former war enemies are still under D-notice ( defense notice ).

England has extended the related D-notice again to the year 2017, which points to a centennial of the two original Balfour Declarations, one issued to Arabs and one to xxxs. Both are not fit for showing together, since they are highly contradictory. What then ensued in Istanbul 's diplomatic circles can be called a careless diplomatic stunt, engineered by a wealthy tobacco trader without appropriate diplomatic expertise: - QUOTE - -After US-Ambassador Morgenthau had failed in 1913 to reach an agreement with the Ottoman Empire on the secession of Palestine, Morgenthau revised his policy. He now sought the collaboration of the wealthy and influential Armenian trader community, which lived as a successful business minority inside the Ottoman Empire, in what is now roughly Turkey. His policy aimed at the collapse of the Ottoman Empire through engagement of the 4.2 million strong Armenian diaspora. Ottoman Empire was already dubbed 'the sick man of the Bosphorus.' Morgenthau met a certain Calouste Gulbenkian, an Armenian billionaire, dealing in an innovative commodity, Iraqi oil. He was also called 'Mister Five Percent, for his habit of charging 5% commission on every concluded oil deal. Gulbenkian had excellent connections among the Armenian community leaders. In 1912, Gulbenkian had taken out English citizenship. No doubt, the English Foreign Office was privy to his dangerous doings in Istanbul. Several meetings with Gulbenkian and Armenian community leaders took place in the American Embassy in Istambul with US-Ambassador Morgenthau presiding. The Turks are said to excel in one intelligence discipline: placement of seemingly humble and naive looking servants as scouts and spies in foreign diplomatic missions, situated in Turkey. Thus, the Turkish secret service monitored several xxxish-Armenian meetings inside the US-Embassy. The Allied war declaration in August 1914 against Germany, Austria and Turkey seemed to play into Morgenthau's hands. From Australia and New Zealand, who also declared war on the Axis Powers, a large occupation force called ANZAC embarked en-route to the Bosphorus. This military deployment was under the command of General Monash ( actually Manasseh concocted by the English tongue tip lisp ). General Monash, a high-ranking Zionist xxx was privy to the hidden agenda: "The Talmudic bankers wanted Palestine for the xxxs." In February 1915, the Australian ANZAC forces disembarked near Cairo, Egypt. Rumors went out to Turkey, that an attack on the Bosphorus was imminent in order to take Palestine, which the Government of the Ottoman Empire had resented ceding to Morgenthau.On the early morning of 24 April 1915, Ottoman armed forces broke into Armenian community villages and forcibly apprehended some 1.5 million Armenian man and women. Men who resisted were slain. Later, a large number of Armenian women and children were distributed to Turkish families for assimilation. According to other sources like Encyclopedia Britannica: "1.5 million Armenians were marched away from the war zone, to the east into Anatolia, or to the Syrian border. Some 600,000 died on the 1500 km march." Thus, internal Armenian assistance in support of the attacking ANZAC Corps could not eventuate any more.Neither was the attack date unknown to the Turks. Preparations were made in time before the first ANZAC soldiers stepped on Ottoman soil near Gallipoli. The newly designed, well positioned German machine guns, which had earlier decided the Battle of Tannenberg against overwhelming Russian infantry, reaped a devastating harvest over almost unprotected ANZAC positions. Some 5,600 Australian diggers fell on the beaches of Gallipoli.

One often-overlooked fact of history that has been suppressed is the genocide committed against the Armenians in 1915. What is the historical background to this tragedy and why has it not received the attention that it deserves?

Instead of going into detail more than I already have, I will give your readers accounts and eyewitnesses of the murders by Turkey's own allies as well as some excerpts from a book called The First World War, by Martin Gilbert, a New York Times best-selling author on the subject of the Holocaust. His compiled references cannot be denied because he has been well established by the literary community of these United States and his material can be found in today's popular bookstores throughout the country. Today's denial of the Armenian Genocide is financed by the Turkish government and perpetuated by American xxxish leaders and Israel. In fact, it is illegal in Israel to mention or publish material concerning the Armenian Genocide.

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The German Documentation of the Armenian Genocide


From The First World War, A Complete Story, Martin Gilbert, p. 142-143
From the memoirs German Vice-Consul at Erzerum, Max Erwin von Schneubner-Richter's Publications, April 1915:

"On the Caucasian front, the continuing Russian advances led to tragedy. The Turks, bitter at their losses of men and land, blamed the local Armenian population for co-operating with the Russian invaders. Starting on April 8th, tens of thousands of Armenian men were rounded up and shot. Hundreds of thousands of women, old men and children were deported southward across the mountains, to Cilicia and Syria. On April 15th the Armenians appealed to the German ambassador in Constantinople for German protection. This was rejected by Berlin on grounds it would offend the Turkish Government. By April 19th, 50,000 Armenians had been murdered in the Van Province alone. On April 20th the predominantly Armenian city of Van was surrounded by Turkish forces: 1300 armed Armenians defending 30,000 civilians. For thirty days Armenians resisted futile attempts by the Turks to defeat them. Eventually, the Russian forces saved them and the Tsar congratulated the Armenians for their courage. April 24th became the official Day of Armenian Mourning. The head of the Armenian Church, Catholicos Kevork, appealed to President Woodrow Wilson to intervene, but in vain. In Constantinople, I (Richter) went to the Turkish Foreign Ministry and expressed hope that anything that might look like Christian massacres would be avoided. I was told that the Turkish troops in Van were poorly trained conscripts and that excesses might not be entirely avoidable. News of the killings spanned across Europe and the United States. I was then instructed by Berlin to intervene against the massacres, but not to do so in such a way as to create the impression that the Germans want to exercise a right of protection over the Armenians. My hands were tied."

What does the above explain? It explains that Germans wanted to win the war but not at any cost. Even they abhorred the barbarity of the Turks, yet Morgenthau so desperately wants to implicate German responsibility. There is some German responsibility concerning the transfer of armaments to the Turks, but I clearly see some remorseful thought processes occurring in the minds of German officials as is the case in the following irrefutable reports of Lepsius from which your readers later on can research in detail.


From "Germany and Armenia 1914-1918" by Johannes Lepsius

Johannes Lepsius was born in Potsdam, in Germany, in 1858. An evangelical pastor, following the first massacres in Turkey (three hundred thousand victims), in 1895 he set up the Deutsche Orient Mission the aim of which was to run orphanages for Armenian children who had survived the massacres.

In 1896 he published "Armenians and Europe", his first documented report on the atrocities committed by the sultan Abdul Hamid II, an ally of Wilhelm II. In aid of the Armenian victims of persecution he set up the Lepsius Foundation, with various branches in Anatolia. From 1912 to 1914 he took part in diplomatic moves and conferences on the Armenian question in Constantinople, Paris, London and Bern.

At the beginning of the Armenian genocide of 1915 he had a dramatic interview with Enver Pasha, minister of War, during which he tried in vain to prevent the systematic deportation of the Armenian people.

In 1916 he had his "The Condition of the Armenian People in Turkey" printed privately, defying the Turkophile German censorship, which nevertheless managed to confiscate a number of copies.

Taking refuge in Holland, he kept up his struggle on behalf of the Armenians from there. He exposed German complicity in the genocide of the Armenians. He testified at the trial against Soghomon Tehlirian, the assassin of Tal'aat Pasha, Turkish minister of the Interior. Thanks also to his testimony, Tehlirian was acquitted. In 1923 he started preparations for the foundation of an Armenian Academy in Potsdam.


Financing the Armenian Genocide by Clifford Shack
(Rothschilds and other xxxish bankers),

“To an all-powerful banking family like the Rothschilds, whose vast wealth bankrolled many a war, causing millions of fatalities, the removal of a small minority like the Armenians was a fair price to pay for the peace in a region so crucial to the development and investment of the Far East, which contained countless millions, later billions of consumers? Squeamish the Rothschilds were not, their line of work requires pragmatism to rule their day”. “It would be fair to say that the genocide of a group of a million or so, to serve the benefit of a billion or so, is less of a question of should it be done, than how it could be done. So as not to reveal any plausible motive which could link the actual planners to the genocide, the scheme involved a proxy party, which was manipulated through layers of influence, providing sufficient cover for the planners.” To ordering it (Talaat, Turkey’s minister of the interior at the time, gave the orders for the genocide and he was also a xxx, see above articles). To seeing that the orders are carried out (Enver who was Turkey’s minister of war at the time was also a xxx, see above articles). To even taking an active part in it by either informing the Turks and the Kurds on the whereabouts and hiding places of the Armenians so that they would be slaughtered and some xxxs (don’t really know the extent) even massacred Armenians themselves because it was open season on Armenians and they knew they would go unpunished for their crimes of which the motive was plunder. "the xxxs in Haskoy (a xxxish quarter in Constantinople where many Armenians also lived) played a shameful part in helping the Kurds to search out the hiding places of the victims"

From The Banality of Indifference: Zionism and the Armenian Genocide, Yair Auron. p. 151.
“The soldiers were helped in picking out Armenians in the streets by native spies, who accompanied them and pointed out victims. I could not recognize the nationality of those foul and slimy reptiles, the spies. I was told by some that they were xxxs”.


The Blight of Asia by George Horton.
“According to the paper, many xxxs joined with the Mohammedans to strike against the Armenians and 'pursued them to the end.'."


Turkish and Israeli denial of The Armenian Genocide, The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. 1. By Steven T. Katz. pg. 22.

“Armenian Americans were offended by what they saw as xxxish insistence on making the Holocaust “unique,” while portraying the Armenian genocide as “ordinary.” A xxxish magazine published a symposium in which xxxish writers responded to an Armenian who, in moderate language, questioned the uniqueness of the Holocaust and suggested numerous ways in which it paralleled the events of 1915. Lucy Dawidowicz (quite falsely) accused the Armenian of “turn(ing) the subject into a vulgar contest about who suffered more.” She added that while the Turks had “a rational reason” for killing Armenians, the Germans had no rational reason for killing xxxs. Other contributors offered various reasons why the Holocaust, unlike the Armenian genocide, was “special”: that it took place in the heart of Christian Europe, that anti-Semitism was “sui generis’; that what happened to the xxxs, unlike what happened to the Armenians, “represents a new divide in human history.” “Armenians had other grievances. The designers of the Washington Holocaust Museum went back on earlier commitments to give significant space to the Armenian genocide as part of the background of the Holocaust. They yielded to those in the museum’s governing councils who objected to any dilution of the Holocaust’s “unprecedented” character


The Holocaust in American Life by Peter Novick. pg. 192-193.

"xxxs who were admitted into the Ottoman Empire by Sultan Bayazid II are of the opinion that claims of genocide in Turkey are lies." David Asseo, Istanbul's Chief Rabbi. Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt on why the German program of genocide remains in a class by itself as an example of evil: "It was the only time in recorded history that a state tried to destroy an entire people, regardless of an individual's age, sex, location, profession, or belief.” Rabbi Irving Greenberg, founder of the Holocaust Resource Center and first director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Commission, has described the comparison of the Nazi Holocaust with other acts of genocide as "blasphemous." As one proponent of the uniqueness of the Holocaust, Edward Alexander, has put it, to describe as genocidal the ghastly agonies suffered by others-the Armenians, for instance-is "to plunder the moral capital" of the xxxish people. It is to "steal the Holocaust.”. Yehuda Bauer's The Holocaust in Historical Perspective, Steven Katz's The Holocaust in Historical Context and Lucy Dawidowicz's The Holocaust and the Historians are really only variations of Arthur Butz's The Hoax of the Twentieth Century written in reverse. All of them, equally, are conscious exercises in the destruction of truth and memory.

Washington Post reported that Maryland State Delegate Cheryl Kagan has compared a resolution commemorating the Armenian Genocide "to another unusual bill this session - a measure to designate the calico as the official state cat." The newspaper quotes her as saying: "When we spend our time on the calico cat or an alleged massacre . . . we're wasting time on frivolous matters that will not affect the daily lives of most of our constituents." [Cheryl Kagan is xxxish. Kagan means king in Khazarian and Cheryl Kagan is on the board of directors of the AJC (American xxxish Congress) which is a pro-Azeri and anti-Armenian organization.]

Lantos proposal - Opponents of H.Res.398. The Chairman ruled out of order an amendment by Rep. Lantos, who is a holocaust survivor, to strike any mention of the Armenian Genocide and substitute general language on "man's inhumanity to man." Lantos took a leading role in the 106th Congress in attempting to block passage of legislation recognizing the Armenian Genocide.

In Armenia, Israeli Ambassador Rivki Kohen denies the Armenian Genocide once again. During a February 8th press conference in Yerevan, Kohen argued that the "Holocaust was a unique phenomenon, since it had always been planned and aimed to destroy the whole nation. At this stage nothing should be compared with Holocaust." The Israeli Foreign Ministry responded to Yerevan’s concerns stating that, "Israel recognizes the tragedy of the Armenians and the plight of the Armenian people. Nevertheless, the events cannot be compared to genocide, and that does not in any way diminish the magnitude of the tragedy."

Anadolu New Agency, 11 April, 2001 Turkiye - "Israeli Foreign Minister Simon Peres had openly supported the Turkish view regarding Armenian allegations. Peres said, 'History should be left to the historians.' Replying to the Armenians' claim that they were victims of genocide, Peres said, 'We oppose this definition. What happened to the Armenians was a tragedy, not a genocide.'"

Turkish Daily News, 10 April, 2001. Ankara - "On the eve of his visit to Turkey, Israeli Foreign Minister Peres says Armenian allegations are 'meaningless' and there is no similarity between the Holocaust and Armenian incidents. Supporting Turkey's thesis that history should be dealt with by historians over the Armenian issue, Peres said: 'We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide.'"

Anti-Semitism Worldwide 1999/2000 - ITALY “Although no violent anti-Semitic incidents were recorded, an activist of the neo-fascist Forza Nuova was arrested in connection with a bomb planted in downtown Rome in November 1999. While the last few years have been characterized by a low level of anti-Semitic violence, there has been a creeping process of legitimizing anti-xxxish stereotypes in Italy, provoked by public discourse over xxxish issues. The attempt to commemorate the suffering of other persecuted groups testifies to this trend.”


(What these xxxs don’t want to come right out and say, is that they are talking about the Armenians because the ONLY “suffering” of other persecuted groups Italy wanted to commemorate at the time in question, was the Armenian Genocide and the recognition of such, these xxxs consider as an act of “anti-Semitism”.).

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw99-2000/italy.htm

In 1995, a Paris court condemned Bernard Lewis(a xxx), professor of Middle Eastern History at Princeton University for having denied the Armenian Genocide. This was Bernard Lewis’ explanation in Harret Haaretz daily (Weekend Issue) Jerusalem 23/01/98 in an article "THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE" by Dalia Karpel. “The meaning of genocide is the planned destruction of a religious and ethnic group, as far as it is known to me, there is no evidence for that in the case of the Armenians.”, “the reality of the Armenian genocide results from nothing more than the imagination of the Armenian people.”, “Wrong assumptions were also adopted by journalists of "Haaretz" in connection to the whole polemics. These are mainly two issues: a) that the massacres of the Armenians in 1915 and the extermination of the xxxs of Europe are basically events of the same kind; b) any critical discourse of the Armenian massacres is similar to Neo-Nazi denial of the Shoah.”. Notice how he calls xxxish denials of the Armenian Genocide, “critical discourse”, but in it’s denials of the Shoah, it’s called, Neo-Nazi denials”. Whereas the tribunal states, “it is only by hiding elements which go against his thesis that the defendant was able to state that there was no 'serious proof' of the Armenian Genocide".


Which Came First: Holocaust or Genocide? My Turn, By Harut Sassounian, California Courier Publisher.

We commonly use the word Genocide to describe the mass murders of Armenians in 1915, and Holocaust to describe the xxxish killings during World War II. But sometimes, the word Holocaust is used to describe the Armenian Genocide in order to draw a parallel between the Armenian and xxxish tragedies. However, some xxxs object to the use of the term Holocaust to describe the Armenian massacres, or other mass murders, fearing that it would detract from the uniqueness of the xxxish Holocaust. Turkish officials are also quick to make a clear distinction between these two tragic events, lest the world condemn the Turks in the same breath.
(By Suleyman Yurdakul)

[Siamanto]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

I found the following when googling for Armenian videos and I thought that it would be of interest to you - or some??? I don't know the author - nor the interviewer - and I have only listened to the first part of the interview, so I can't assess the value of his book or the quality of his data.

The J-e-w-ish Genocide of Armenian Christians (Interview)

You should be able to download a soft copy of the book "The J-e-w-ish Genocide of Armenian Christians," at http://j-e-w-ishracism.com/

Note: Please get rid of the '-' in the URL above.

[Sip]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

Love the black Hitler avatar ... very creative. ... NOT.

I don't know which group is worse .. the Turks pretending to be friends of Armenians or the Nazis pretending to give a damn about the Genocide.

[skhara]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

It is of interest. Thanks Siamanto. I actually followed the google video link as it seems to work better. Anyway, I really enjoyed listening to the books author, and I enjoyed him speak on some of the other past events and current geopolitical formulations. Of course, much of what he says I already knew, but he does a great job of putting things together. There are too many people that just don't realize the kind of danger that we are in.

By the way, I like the way he sited his sources -- especially xxxish sources.

I found the following when googling for Armenian videos and I thought that it would be of interest to you - or some??? I don't know the author - nor the interviewer - and I have only listened to the first part of the interview, so I can't assess the value of his book or the quality of his data.

The J-e-w-ish Genocide of Armenian Christians (Interview)

You should be able to download a soft copy of the book "The J-e-w-ish Genocide of Armenian Christians," at http://j-e-w-ishracism.com/

Note: Please get rid of the '-' in the URL above.

[Siamanto]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

It is of interest. Thanks Siamanto. I actually followed the google video link as it seems to work better. Anyway, I really enjoyed listening to the books author, and I enjoyed him speak on some of the other past events and current geopolitical formulations. Of course, much of what he says I already knew, but he does a great job of putting things together. There are too many people that just don't realize the kind of danger that we are in.

By the way, I like the way he sited his sources -- especially xxxish sources.

You're welcome. Yes, it is a merit to have gathered and organized a bunch of dispersed data and information; but, I will comment once I find the time to listen to all five videos and take a look at his book. He did sound reasonable but I don't know how sound are his conclusions and how extensive is the data gathered in his book.

[bluewolf]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

look!!!armenian stupid gays.You didn't understand history and you will not anytime.Because you are miserable and you are cursed race!!


TANRI TÜRK'Ü KORUSUN VE YÜCELTSİN!!!
TÜRK'ÜN LANETİ ÜZERİNİZE OLSUN!

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Why to talk about the xxxish involvement in the Genocide are not allowed??

Ok, so our board moderator's will tolerate postings like the immediate above but not an intelligent discussion on how other religious minorities in Turkey may have been responsible for the preparing of and execution of the 'plan' to cleanse Armenians from Ottoman Turkey. Brilliant!!!!

Censor Armenians and let Turk bigots and xenophobes control the discussion. Armenians have a hard enough time getting the message of Armenian genocide and responsible parties out to the masses through existing media channels because of Turkish ad dollars and lobbying practices of some American religious lobbying organizations.

When our own media channels like this board ban our discourse of this topic and certain sub-topics therein, who are we helping? I opine not us.

As for a discussion of the Young Turks and the responsibility of other religious minorities in Turkey for the demise of Armenians during the last breaths of Ottoman Turkey, take a look at this,

Historian Christopher Jon Bjerkness to deliver lecture on Armenian Genocide
30.07.2007 18:35 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Historian from Chicago Christopher Jon Bjerkness will speak on the topic of “Who were the Young Turks” in Glendale, California. The lecture is scheduled for August 8, the PanARMENIAN.Net was told in the Armenian community of Glendale. Christopher Jon Bjerkness has written several books and articles on the history of the theory of relativity. Discovering the true significance of the fall of the Ottoman Empire, he began to investigate the unwritten history of the Armenian Genocide. He has published his findings in a new book which identifies the ethnic origins and overall agenda of the “Young Turks”, including their motives for committing Genocide against Armenians.

A xxx by descent, Bjerkness alleges xxxs for the 1915 Armenian Genocide in his latest book entitled “The xxxish Genocide of Armenian Christians”.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=23131

So, if you are j-e-w-i-s-h historian, you can talk about the Young Turks implication in the Armenian Genocide and the alleged xxxish responsibility for the Armenian Genocide, but if you are Armenian, then you can't. Not in our community.