The Dersim Genocide 1938

[bell-the-cat]

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I'm Zaza.Zazas Are Not Kurds you are wrong please rewrite.And Kurds arent Alevi.Kurds hate alevis

Two other posters have also said the same thing. However, the weight of Kurdish propaganda, simplistic news reports written by idiot journalists, and the money and support that is available to activists if they say they are a "Kurdish" organisation (rather than being part of some ethnic group nobody has heard of) makes it difficult to be heard.

[bell-the-cat]

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unfortunely alevis are brainwashed people and biggest ataturk supporter in turkey.

No, it just shows that given a choice between being swamped and absorbed into Kurdish backwardness and fanaticism and appearing to support Ataturk's brand of nationalism and secularisation, they chose what they decided was the lesser (and the more distant) of two evils.

[Azar]

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Kurdish backwardness and fanaticism

What exactly do you mean by that?

[Gavur]

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This is a deep subject .

[Alexandros]

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Durmuş Bo_ztuğ, rector of Tunceli University. DHA photo


University in Turkey to hold symposium on 'Dersim Massacre'

Thursday, August 19, 2010

ISTANBUL – Daily News with wires

The rector of Tunceli University says his school has encountered no problems so far in using the former name of the city, “Dersim,” alongside “Tunceli” in all official documents for a symposium on the Dersim Massacre. The rector says it is the first time an academic symposium on the massacre will take place in the province under the auspices of the university. The academic meeting is set for Oct. 4-6

Tunceli University is holding a symposium in October on the “Dersim Massacre” and the university’s rector has said there has been no problem in using the former name of the city, “Dersim,” alongside “Tunceli” in all official symposium documents, Doğan news agency reported Wednesday.

The First International Tunceli (Dersim) Symposium: Economy, History, Society will take place from Oct. 4 to 6 in the city and will discuss the Dersim Operation, in which tens of thousands people were killed in a government-led operation in the 1930s.

Durmuş Bo_ztuğ, rector of Tunceli University, said they sent their symposium information materials to many public institutions including the Presidency and the Higher Education Board, or YÖK, with the name of the city as “Tunceli (Dersim).” He said they have used the name of the city along with its former name in all official statements on the symposium so far.

He said they have not decided whether or nor to use the two names together in more official documents after the symposium.

Bo_ztuğ said the incidents that happened in Dersim, the former name of Tunceli, between 1937 and 1938 are to be the main topic of discussion during the symposium.

Bo_ztuğ said they would invite President Abdullah Gül to attend the symposium.

“It is the first time Tunceli will have this kind of an activity and also the first time the city of Tunceli, which is in an isolated area in the eastern part of our country, will be the subject of an academic work,” he said.

Under the main areas of economy, history and society, subtopics such as religion, language, culture, local governance, social governance and everyday life in the city will be discussed in and about Tunceli, according to Bo_ztuğ.

“We aim to discuss the incident known as the ‘1938 incident’, which has traumatic influences, in a tolerant and respectful atmosphere far from conflict and tension. We believe this will contribute to upholding our motto that everyone is equal and different,” he said.

Bo_ztuğ said Tunceli is a significant province in the region and that solutions to ongoing social problems such as the Kurdish question, the Alevi problem and the education in one’s mother language problem are expected to be discussed.

Bo_ztuğ also said it is not possible to say that the current democratic initiative led by the ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, is not directly connected to the symposium. “We were the first to defend the democratic initiative decision taken by the government. We are the first to open an ‘Alevism Research Center’ in our university,” said xxxtuğ.

He also said Tunceli University was the first university to offer elective courses on Kurdish and Zaza in Turkey. “All these activities our university is doing are a contribution to democracy and human rights. So in a way, we contribute to the democratic initiative as a university,” he said.

During the Dersim operation, over 13,000 people were allegedly killed and 22,000 others were driven out of their homes. Children orphaned by the massacre were allegedly subjected to Turkification policies in orphanages. The Dersim operation was planned and reports were prepared as early as 1920. The law related to the operation was passed in 1935 and action was taken in 1937.

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[Alexandros]

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unfortunely alevis are brainwashed people and biggest ataturk supporter in turkey.

Wat until more and more info comes out that Kemal Ataturk was responsible for the Dersim massacre and they will start to hate him.

[vampire06ank]

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Wat until more and more info comes out that Kemal Ataturk was responsible for the Dersim massacre and they will start to hate him.

sorry my english.but alevis learning internet now.i m live turkey im learning dersim genocide for internet.and learning armenian genocide.turkish racist kill my and your people . i love armenian people and system of a down

[vampire06ank]

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Two other posters have also said the same thing. However, the weight of Kurdish propaganda, simplistic news reports written by idiot journalists, and the money and support that is available to activists if they say they are a "Kurdish" organisation (rather than being part of some ethnic group nobody has heard of) makes it difficult to be heard.

zazas are learning our history and language now for internet.we are dont accept turkish and kurdish propoganda.they want zazas assimilation.but zazas are not accept.

[Joseph]

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http://www.kurdishaspect.com/doc090110AD.html

Erdogan, Kilicdaroglu, and Genocide of Dersim

Kurdishaspect.com - By Amed Demirhan

During this partial constitutional amendments referendum, Turkish politics are getting intense and heated. The new leader of the Republican People Party (RPP -Turkish CHP) Mr. Kemal Kilicdaroglu has created an interesting debate mostly because of his “Alevi-Kurdish” background but some times because of his reckless claims. For example, he claimed in the past that he is a “Sayid” meaning a decedent of Prophet Mohammed par-excellence while actually his tribe is from Khorasan in Central Asia which makes him an original Turk. It is well in line with the old Turkish claim that Kurds are “Mountain Turks”. Mr. Kilicdaroglu has been a living example of that. Another time the RPP leader claimed he was like “Gandhi,” but a few weeks later he went to a Turkish military post on the Iraqi-Kurdistan border and took photos with a Turkish officer in a war trench against Kurds. (1) And so he demonstrated his commitment and support to the Turkish military in a war against Kurds.

However, there are some that have been abusing his “Alevi – Kurdish” identity knowing he can’t defend himself on that basis. At times some of the accusations against him have reached to racist slander; for example, those of mayor of Ankara Mr. Melih Gokcek. The Mayor claimed Mr. Kilcdaroglu’s mother is Armenian descend and his father Alevi – Kurdish; knowing these three identifications: Armenian, Alevi, and Kurd are the worst things in Turkish political literature.

Nevertheless, Prime Minister of Turkey, Mr. Recep Tayip Erdogan, statement about Dersim (a Kurdish City/Region in Northwest Kurdistan) regarding a Kurdish genocide created quite serious debate. Mr. Erdogan stated’: “… Kemal Kilicdaroglu is from Dersim. This place was bombarded with order of former RPP leader Ismet Inunu (co-founder of Turkish Republic and second man in command) because people of Dersim didn’t pay taxes. It is claimed 20 thousand, 30 thousand, 40 thousand, and/or 50 thousand were killed without due process. First this has to be cleared.” (2) After Erdogan statement there have been many discussions in the Turkish media about the genocide of Dersim in 1937 – 1938. Soner Yalcin a writer and columnist in daily Huriyet on August 22, 2010, wrote an article (with an interview with Kilicdaroglu) in defense of Mr. Kilicdaroglu. In his article he claimed that Mr. Kilicdaroglu has studied this “incident” and actually has interviewed a former Turkish politician, Ihsan Sabri Cagliyangil, who has participated in this “incident.” Basically his article presents Mr. Kilicdaroglu’s point of view. Mr. Cagliyangil claimed the reason the war started in Dersim: “Seyit Riza’s men have killed a Turkish Officer and 33 soliders…” (3) In reality Mr. Kilicdaroglu didn’t have to do any particular research as there are thousands of survivors and eye witnesses from Dersim still alive in his town. His parents, grandparents, and neighbor could have told him, too, but this is not why the war started.

Another interesting article on this subject was published in the daily “Zaman” newspaper by Mustafa Armagan . (4) This article had more substance and indicated a more serious allegation that most people know. Armagan implied that Attaturk himself had given an order to Turkish Army to commit a genocide in Dersim, which is a well-know fact but official dogma has never admitted it. However, this article, too, doesn’t actually mention how and why war started except mentioning that the Turkish state saw the Dersim region as a threat to the Turkish army.

Since this is a very important subject of modern Turkish -Kurdish history and for Kurdish -Turkish relation every one should publish all available documents about Dersim. Here how it was reported in a British secret document in 1943: the Turkish government appoints Mr. Abeddin Osman as the inspector general for eastern provinces (Kurdistan [AD]) to prepare a report for government policy. In 1936 Mr. Osman submitted his report about how to deal with Kurdistan Region in Turkey. In January 1937 the Turkish government passes a new law for the Kurdistan region. I quote the shortened list that reported by the British officials:
A Military Governor was to be appointed.
The civil administration was suspended and replaced by military law.
Local tribunals were to be set up with powers up to capital punishment.
The Military Governor was to have a free hand in regard to military operations in his area.
The use of any language other than Turkish was forbidden.
The teaching in schools of any other language than Turkish and keeping of books in any foreign language were forbidden. (p. 117) (5)

The British report continues in this subject and states clearly that the Dersim Region until then never participated in any anti-government rebellion. Nevertheless, after this law passed the leader of Dersim started feeling uncomfortable. The report state: “However, feeling in Dersim ran high, meetings were held and a delegation visited the Military Governor bearing a letter of protest. The three emissaries who carried the letter were arrested and executed at Elaziz a few days later. As a reprisal the Kurds stopped a convoy of Turkish police cars and kidnapped the police. Revolt had started. A considerable Turkish force was assembled and in May 1937 military operations against the rebels commenced. This operation lasted well into 1938 and it is reported that more than three army corps were employed, Villages were burned but the Kurds, adopting guerilla tactics, defied the Turkish Army in the Mountains. Little is known of what actually happened except from Kurdish sources according to which, despite savage massacres, the spirit of Kurdish resistance was not broken.” (p.117)

The Turkish Prime Minister and the Justice and Development Party’s leader Mr. Erdogan, says up to 50, 000 civilian may have been killed in Dersim. I don’t know about exact numbers but most eye witnesses I talked with during my university years in Elaziz said many more civilian were killed. The Turkish Government used chemical gas on civilian population and killed many “prisoner of war” including children and pregnant women and later deported tens of thousands of survivors to the Turkish cities in the west. Aren’t these crimes against humanity?

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(1) You may check this link for photo of the man claim to be “Ghandi” http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/ga...id=37393&rid=2

(2) “Erdoğan: Dersim'i CHP bombaladı” http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.as...=RadikalDetay&
ArticleID=1013583&CategoryID=78

(3) Yalcin, S. (2010, August 22) “Kılıçdaroğlu sordu Çağlayangil yanıtladı KONU: DERSİM” http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/15608090_p.asp retrieved 08 22, 2010

(4) Armagan, M. (2010, August 29)” "Dersim'i vurun" emrini Atatürk mü verdi?”
ZAMAN http://zaman.com.tr/yazar.do?yazino=1021324&title=
dersimi-vurun-emrini-ataturk-mu-verdi

(5) Destani, B (2006)M Minorities in the Middle East Kurdish Communities 1918-1974 (Vols. 3 - 4) Chippenham, UK. Antony Rowe Ltd.

[Alexandros]

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Investigators locate 1930s-era mass grave in eastern Turkey

Sunday, February 13, 2011

ISTANBUL - Daily News with wires

The remains of 230 people were unearthed Friday in the eastern province of Tunceli from a mass grave that dates from the 1938 Dersim military operation, according to experts.

Investigators made the excavations Friday in the province’s Çoleneser area after lawyer Barış Yıldırım, the provincial representative of the Human Rights Association, or İHD, applied to the Tunceli Public Prosecutor’s Office last week to examine two locations in the area.

Some 230 men and women were found buried separately at Çoleneser; investigators said the bones would be examined to determine their age and origin.

The other location in Tunceli is believed to be in the vicinity of Roşnek.

The Turkish military began the Dersim campaign in 1938 to pacify the area’s inhabitants; in the course of fighting, thousands were killed while others were sent into internal exile. Dersim was renamed Tunceli in the 1930s.

Bar association puts blame on gendarmerie

Meanwhile, the Bitlis Bar Association has criticized the gendarmerie in Mutki in the eastern district of Bitlis for “violating the secrecy of an investigation” in regard to its excavation of a mass grave in the dump of the local gendarmerie station.

Authorities began digging for the bodies of alleged members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, after the local İHD was provided information on the bodies’ whereabouts by the missing people’s relatives.

Other intelligence indicated that three other bodies were buried in the station’s yard, only to be excavated by heavy machinery provided by the gendarmerie themselves before prosecutors could take action. The local prosecutor was informed of the removal of some bones, but the gendarmerie said they were of animal origin, leading officers to dispose of the remains.

The İHD also criticized the gendarmerie for making its own investigation into accusations made against the force.

The association has said at least 1,469 missing people are buried at 119 locations across eastern and southeastern Turkey.

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