Denialism

[melikianAvak]

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SWORN AFFIDAVIT BY EDWARD TASHJI

Edward Tashji
Director of Public Affairs Committee -
The Federation of Turkish American Societies, Inc.

By itss at 2005-06-25 18:42 | News

Brother Armenians

This is the man that the Turks love and call a friend of the Turks.
I have not included his affidavit, if you wish to read it you may at the site I gave Orlandu,

I do not have any kind words for him or his family. He is a brainwashed person who knows very little of Armenians or Turks, and what he does know he twists it to the liking of the Turks.

It is difficult for me to hate whole people, and I am sure every people have good and bad, as my parents taught me. My parents and their families were the victims of the Turks Genocide of the Armenians.

I for one am not able to swallow this mans tripe. He is not a Armenian in my book, he and his family are unclean Turks.

Barris you turdk ext shxt and dxe

Avak The Holy Armenian

[melikianAvak]

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Baris

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Armenian Genocide

AHMET ERTEGUN KNEW WHAT'S GOOD FOR TURKEY: GENOCIDE RECOGNITION

By Harut Sassounian, Publisher, The California Courier

Ahmet Ertegun, the Founder and CEO of Atlantic Records passed away on Dec. 14, 2006 at the age of 83. He was the most famous Turkish American. His death was announced in newspapers and TV networks throughout the world. He was the son of Mehmet Ertegun, the former Turkish Ambassador to the United States who had played a key role in pressuring the State Department in the 1930’s to prevent MGM from making into a movie Franz Werfel’s classic novel, "The Forty Days of Musa Dagh."

Ahmet Ertegun was a music magnate who launched the careers of many great singers and groups, such as Ray Charles, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones.

A couple of years ago, I received a surprising phone call from this prominent Turk. Ertegun said he was calling from New York to see if he could meet with me in Los Angeles to discuss Armenian-Turkish issues. I told him that I usually decline to meet with Turkish individuals unless they acknowledged the Armenian Genocide. He said he did acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.

Ertegun arrived in Los Angeles with his wife a couple of days later. He invited me to have lunch with him at the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills. For more than two hours, we discussed various Armenian-Turkish issues. It was a fascinating conversation. He was a gracious man who spoke with great charm, self-confidence and sincerity. He surprised me by saying that he could not understand why Turkish officials denied the Armenian Genocide -- a fact known to the entire world. He made it clear that he was not acknowledging the Genocide in order to appease the Armenians. He believed that it was, first of all, in Turkey’s interest to acknowledge the Genocide, because doing so would help Ankara’s application for membership in the European Union and get rid of the stigma that had haunted his native land for so many years.

Ertegun said he had read about the Armenian Genocide in many Western books, but had not seen a single reputable book that denied its occurrence. He referred to Turkish officials who denied the Genocide as being "Turk ghafali," implying that they had a stubborn Turkish mentality. We explored various ideas on how to encourage the Turkish government to acknowledge the Genocide. He suggested that he and I fly to Ankara on a private jet and meet with high-ranking Turkish government officials. I declined by saying that Turkish officials were not yet ready to acknowledge the Genocide. Instead, I proposed a number of steps that would prepare the ground for its acknowledgment by the Turkish government in the future. I told him that if prominent Turks such as himself, who enjoyed the confidence of the highest echelons of the Turkish state, would speak out on the Genocide, that would pave the way for its eventual recognition. He agreed to consider the possibility of issuing a public statement recognizing the Genocide.

Before leaving, he asked me again to fly to Ankara with him. I declined again his invitation and promised to stay in touch with him. He said he would return to California in a few months and expressed the hope that we could go Turkey together at a later date. We parted very amicably. Due to his advanced age and ill health, we could not meet again, although we spoke several times by phone.

It is a shame that the public statement we had discussed regarding the Armenian Genocide never materialized. I was aware that he was a very influential man both in the United States and Turkey. He had contributed funds to many Turkish causes and had invited influential U.S. officials to attend Turkish events in New York and Washington, D.C. I knew that Ertegun was not contacting me because he was pro-Armenian, but because he sincerely wanted to help erase the stigma of the Genocide from Turkey’s name. He firmly believed that once Ankara put the issue of the Genocide behind it, the country would attain the respect of the international community and would not waste its efforts and resources to counter Armenian efforts for Genocide recognition.

I could not write this column while he was alive since I did not want to make him the target of hate mails and threats from Turkish extremists by alerting them that he was considering the possibility of issuing a public statement on the Armenian Genocide. Alas, he passed away without being able to do so which is a loss for both Armenians and Turks. I hasten to add that it was a greater loss for Turkey. Ahmet Ertegun believed that by acknowledging the Genocide, Turkey would earn many political dividends and lose practically nothing!

http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2006122101

[melikianAvak]

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Baris
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Los Angeles Times
May 6, 1889
HORRIBLE OUTRAGES IN ARMENIA
CONSTANTINOPLE, May 5.--It is reported that a Kurdish chief who recently escaped from prison has gathered a number of his followers and attacked an Armenian village. The band seized several prominent men of the village, pouring over them petroleum, to which they set fire, and then watched their victims slowly burn to death.


Los Angeles Times
Jul 11, 1890
BURNED ALIVE.
CONSTANTINOPLE, July 10.--According to the advices received here, a number of Armenian peasants who failed to pay taxes were burned alive by Turks.

Los Angeles Times
Jul 15, 1890
No Title
Turks have been indulging in more of their playful practices. They are reported to have been burning alive Armenians who failed to pay their taxes. Turkey would have been wiped off the map of Europe long ago were it not for the support of the so-called Christian powers.


Los Angeles Times
Jul 23, 1890
The Armenians Furious Over the Murder of Their Bishop.
LONDON, July 22.--[By Cable and Associated Press.] A dispatch from Tiflis to the Daily News, says: The Armenian Bishop of Erzeroum was among those killed in the riot of June 20th, and his death has roused the Armenians to the highest pitch of excitement. The whole country is in a state of anarchy. Half-starved Turkish soldiers and Kurds, under pretense of maintaining order, patrol the country, plundering wherever they go.


Los Angeles Times
Jul 26, 1890
TURKISH ATROCITIES.
DETAILS OF THE MASSACRE AT ERZEROUM.
Hundreds of Armenians Bayoneted by the Savage Soldiery--The British Consulate Stoned By a Furious Mob.

By Telegraph to The Times.
LONDON, July 25.--[By Cable and Associated Press.] The News gives the following details of the recent riot at Erzeroum: On June 20th the soldiers were trying to disperse Armenians who were holding a meeting in a church. The soldiers began a massacre of the Armenians and the Turkish populace joined in the attack. The shops and houses of Armenians were pillaged. The sack lasted four hours.
The British Consulate, at which on the same night a fete was being given for the benefit of poor Armenians, was stoned and its gates and windows broken. The Consul and members of his family took refuge in the cellars in the building and the fete was abandoned. The Armenian mission served as a refuge for fifty fugitives.
Many Armenians, relying on the promises of the Turks to escort them to places of safety, were murdered in the streets. Fifty bodies have been found, mostly of persons who were bayoneted. Three hundred and fifty persons were wounded and 100 are missing.



Los Angeles Times
Aug 2, 1890
Armenians Praying Russia to Protect Them Against Turkey.
CONSTANTINOPLE, Aug. 1.--[By Cable and Associated Press.] The Armenian Patriarch has resigned. Dispatches from Erivan say the condition of the Armenian peasants in the Ashgerd district is miserable beyond description. Petty Turkish officials urge the Kurds to harass villagers. Christians throughout the sidtrict are praying Russia to intervene and deliver them.


Los Angeles Times
Sep 10, 1890
AWFUL ATROCITIES.
ARMENIAN TROUBLES.
CONSTANTINOPLE, Sept. 9.--Kurds have set fire to the crops of Armenians in many places in the vicinity of Bitlis. The Porte has dispatches troops to the island in consequence of the receipt of reports of several conflicts there between Armenians and Circassians.


Los Angeles Times
Oct 20, 1890
Turkish Officials Arrest Two Americans without Provocation.
LONDON, Oct 19.--By Cable and Associated Press.] The Armenians correspondent of the Newstelegraphs: "Two Americans who have traveled in Armenia fully confirm my accounts, especially as to the arming of the Kurds. The Turkish officials annoyed the Americans in various ways, and finally arrested them and deprived them of their passports, which were not returned until after they were liberated.


Los Angeles Times
Aug 4, 1893
THE ARMENIANS.
Innocent Christians Executed by the Ottoman Authorities.
LONDON, Aug 3.--(By Cable and Associated Press.) The question of the Turkish outrages upon the Armenian Christians was again brought up in the House of Commons today.
Sir Edward Grey said that what little information the Foreign Office had on the subject was very painful. Fifty-six persons had been arrested and seventeen of these had been condemned to death. Many others had been sentenced to long terms of imprisonment. Subsequently, the Sultan commuted the death sentences of all but five, and these had been executed within the past two or three days.
From the evidence given at the trials, all of which had been carefully investigated by the British representative in Turkey, and a report thereon forwarded in the Foreign Office, it was clear that two of the men executed, and probably more, were innocent of the charges against them. The British representative in Constantinople used hi influence to convince the Ottoman authorities that the trials were unfair, but his efforts were in vain.

Los Angeles Times
Feb 14, 1894
The Armenians.
ARMENIAN TROUBLES.
CONSTANTINOPLE, Feb. 13.-- (By Cable and Associated Press.) Some of the most notable Armenians of Seevas, Asiatic Turkey, have earnestly requested the American Consul there to inform President Cleveland of the sad condition of the Armenians. They claim that the governor of Seevas arbitrarily detains a number of innocent prisoners, and that included among the number is a doctor educated in the United States, who is falsely accused of sedition.
The Turks killed 125 Armenians and wounded 340 during the recent riots at Yuscat.


Los Angeles Times
Nov 12, 1894
WHOLESALE SLAUGHTER.
THREE HUNDRED ARMENIANS REPORTED MASSACRED.
Men, Women and Children Mowed Down by Kurds – Twenty-five Villages Destroyed – The Story id Denied.

Associated Press Leased-wire Service.
LONDON, Nov. 12.—(By Atlantic Cable.)
A dispatch to the Daily Times from Constantinople says that 3000 Armenians, including women and children, are reported to have been massacred in the Sassoun region, near Moosh, Turkish Armenia, during a recent attack by Kurds. Twenty-five villages were destroyed.
The Turkish officials declare the report is untrue, and that it grew out of the suppression of a small uprising in the region in question. The British Ambassador is making inquiries into the matter.


Los Angeles Times
Nov 17, 1894
AWFUL SCENES
Thousands of Innocents Slaughtered.
Armenians are Massacred by the Kurds.
One Hundred Persons Portioned Out to Each Soldier to Dispose Of.
Women Ravished and Slain Without Mercy – “Official” Account of the Atrocity—A British Consul Accused.

Associated Press Leased-wire Service.
LONDON, Nov. 16.—(By Atlantic Cable.)
The chairman of the Armenian Patriotic Association, G. Hagopian, has sent the following letter, received from an Armenian whose name is not given, because it would jeapordize his life, to the Earl of Kimberly, the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. The letter is accompanied by one from Hagopian in which he says:
“I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the details. They will be borne out by fuller official reports, which have been, or will soon be received from the British agents in Armenia. The events reported are the re-enactment of the Bulgarian atrocities with all their most sickening details of fiendish lust and atrocious cruelty on unarmed Christians and defenseless, innocent women and children; deliberately planned and ruthlessly executed under orders received from Constantinople.”
Hagopian concludes by saying that the time has come to abolish in toto the existing administration of Armenia and replace it by another regime approved by Great Britain and other signatories of the treaties of Berlin and to be under their immediate supervision. The letter of the Armenian thus prefaced, is dated Bitlis, October 9. After saying that the magnate appears to be a second Nero the writer continues:
“The so-called rebellion of Armenians in 1893 was a got-up affair for the repression of which the chief magnate got a decoration. This year the Kurds carried off Armenian oxen and the Armenians’ appeal for the restoration was refused. A fight ensued, two Kurds were killed and three were wounded. The Kurds immediately carried their dead before the governor, declaring that the Armenian soldiers had overrun the land, killing and plundering the Kurds.
“This furnished a pretext for massing the troops far and near. The troops were commanded by a pasha and a marshal, and were hurried to the district. The pasha is said to have hung from his breast, after reading it to his soldiers, an ordor from Constantinople to cut the Armenians up root and branch, and adjuring them to do so if they loved their King and government. Nearly all of these things were here, and the soldiers who took part in the horrible carnage claim that the Kurds did most of the work while they only obeyed the orders of others. It is said that 100 persons fell to each of them to dispose of. No compassion was shown to age or sex, even by the regular soldiers, not even when the victims fell supplicant at their feet.
“Sixteen thousand persons met such a fate as even the darkest Africa hardly witnessed, for the women and tender babies might at least have had a chance for a life of slavery while their womanhood was but a mockery before the cruel lust that ended its debauchery by stabbing women to death while tender babies were impaled with the same weapon on their dead mother’s breast or perhaps seized by the hair to have their heads chopped off with the sword. In one place 300 or 400 women after being forced to serve vile perposes by the merciless soldiers, were hacked to pieces by sword and bayonet in the valley below.
“In another place some two hundred weeping and wailing women begged for compassion, falling at the commander’s feet, but the bloodthirsty wretch, after ordering their violation, directed his soldiers to dispatch them in a similar way. In another place some sixty young brides and the more attractive girls were crowded into a church, and after violation, were slaughtered and human gore was soon flowing from the church floor.
“At another place a large company under the leadership of their priests fell down before the troops, begging for compassion, and averring that they had nothing to do with the culprits but all to no purpose. All were called to one place, and the proposal was made to several of the more attractive women to change their faith, in which event their lives were to be spared. They said: ‘Why should we [????] Christ? We are no more than [????],’ pointing to the mangled forms of their husbands and brothers. ‘Kill us too,’ and they did so. A great effort was made to save one beauty, but three or four quarreled over her, and she sank down like her sisters.
“But why prolong the sickening tale? There must be a God in heaven who will do right in all these matters, or some of us would lose faith. One or more consuls have been ordered away to investigate the matter. If the Christians instead of the Turks reported these things in the city of Bitlis and the region where I have been touring, the case would be different, but now we are compelled to believe it. The magnates are having papers circulated and are trying to compel Christians to sign them, expressing satisfaction that justice has been dealt to the rebels and thanking the King and the chief magnate. The Christians of Bitlis will not sign, although it is said that in some outlying districts Christians have signed. The circulars have not been offered to Protestants, and as yet the Protestants have not been thrust into chains or blackmailed very much, though lately things are beginning to look that way.”
Another letter says that some of the regular soldiers themselves admit that they killed 100 persons each in a fiendish manner, and that rape was followed by the bayonet. Twenty of thirty Armenian villages, it would seem, have been wholly destroyed, and some persons were put to death with kerosene in their own houses.

[Orlandu]

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Thanks Melikian.
BARIS,why do not you come up and answer?I guess even your Tukish denial ability could not find anything to deny here.Go and hide.I will find you when I come back to Anatolia to get what belongs to me.You sub-humes will pay for what you did.

[Orlandu]

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Uh.He was banned
These guys should not be banned so that I can express all my nice feelings towards Turks.

[MrLeftyHye]

Re: Denialism

Uh.He was banned
These guys should not be banned so that I can express all my nice feelings towards Turks.

Lol temper now TEMPER.