Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

[Crimson Glow]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

This is the entire premise for their argument that what happened to the Armenian people was not a genocide, but a civil war. In their eyes, defending yourself, and fighting for your rights is treason, or treachery, or turning traitor, etc. Unfortunately, it can only be viewed this way if you have a gross misunderstanding of the history.

I have done extensive research on this genocide subject, and there is no doubt there were rebel bands of Armenians that were killing Turks starting in the 1880's. However, Turks fail to understand that this wasn't treason, or a Turkish genocide. You must understand the living conditions for Armenians long before the Tashnag party, Henchak party, or 1880. They seem to have the impression that the 2 cultures lived in perfect harmony prior to Armenians revolting, simply because nothing on a mass scale had transpired between them. What they overlook is the fact (as documented by many missionaries, officials, and witnesses from many nations, INCLUDING TURKS) that Armenians were treated as 2nd rate citizens under the Millet system. They were not allowed to vote, serve in the military, or bare arms (in spite of REPEATEDLY being the target of infidel hate crimes), they had to pay higher taxes, their testimonials could not be used against Muslims in court, etc. The non-Muslim minorities (of which, the Armenians were the largest) were heavily oppressed people.

Things got MUCH worse for the minorities when Sultan Abul Hamid II took over the Ottoman Empire in 1876. Armenians were oppressed like never before, and killings were a regular occurrence. This is how Sultan Hamid got the nick name "The Bloody Sultan". The creation of Henchak, Tashnag, etc. were a reactionary move to the killings that came WELL before the late 1880's. The "gorillas" started attacking Turks (by far and large, diplomats and officials) because Armenians were being horribly mistreated, not just for the hell of it. It is also important to note that these were small bands that posed very little threat. To react in the way the Turks did in 1894 - 1896 is absurd, and was only meant to demonstrate that, while the Ottoman Empire may be falling apart, the Sultan was still in charge. The Hamidian massacres were not an act of Turkish self defense. They were a show of power demonstrated mostly on the innocent that had nothing to do with the revolts. These were people just trying to live out their lives in a chaotic time, and were unfortunately used to set an example to those defying Sultan Hamid. This is also why Armenians were relieved, and excited when the Young Turks overthrew Sultan Hamid II in 1908. They claimed they didn't like the way Hamid was running the empire, and believed it was essential to have a constitution and parliament if the Ottomans were ever to be mighty again. They also promised better treatment and more rights for the minorities. Of course, that turned out to be a crock, as well.

[Էլիա]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

They're so senseless and effortless, that anyone might think that that's what they meant by their "specific demonstration".

[LadySilver]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

I wish that's what they meant.

[Էլիա]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Was that a Pinochio?! Wow, I can't believe the Turks are calling themsevles liars by putting a Pinochio statue!

[Lucin]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Anti-Armenian protest in Washington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppawk...Fimagine%2Ephp

Look at these idiots...

[Էլիա]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Հա, հոն ի՞նչ ըրիք:

[Siamanto]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Շատ լաւ Սիամանթո: Դուն երեկ գացի՞ր Ancaին հաւաքոյթը Էնսինոի մէջ:

Votch. Pokharen, pavagan d@kegh ou kitch hadjeli taghamas m@, gotchvadz Times Square.

[Էլիա]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Շատ լաւ Սիամանթո: Դուն երեկ գացի՞ր Ancaին հաւաքոյթը Էնսինոի մէջ:

[Siamanto]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Anti-Armenian protest in Washington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppawkw1R7Bk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eanca%2Eorg%2Fimagine%2Ephp

[Էլիա]

Re: Թրքակա՞ն Ցեղասպանութիւն (Turkish Genocide?)

Does anyone know the year when Turkey accused Armenia of Genocide? I really want to know so that I could analyze this at a more clear point of view.