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  • Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

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    I was right, Hitler's quote about the Armenian genocide wasn't an urban legend.

    And I was lucky -- it turns out I've resurrected The Mother Of All Controversies.

    But anyway my original citation was Lloyd Dobyns, who ran an entire half-hour segment about the Armenian genocide on "NBC News Overnight," television news for vampires co-hosted by Linda Ellerbee, after reporting a tiny story about the assassination of a Turkish diplomat in Paris.

    Dobyns and Ellerbee were American commercial television's finest moment in news broadcasting. While their shows lasted -- they also did "NBC Weekend" -- you could watch television news and think you were seeing something as thoughtful, intelligent and serious as reading an excellent national newspaper. Well, you were.

    (Vleeptron will shortly have a bit to say about CNN / Cable News Network, the degenerate xxxxroach cartoon descendent of commercial television something. I don't know what the something is, I only know it's not news. But check out the Tekno Beat that pumps up every story!!! TV News you can DANCE to!!! And those hot babe announcers and the way they smile at me!!! And those gorgeous hunk lox announcers!!! Hubba-hubba!!!)

    (On a "Murphy Brown" episode, Ellerbee confessed that she stole the tagline "And so it goes." from Dobyns.)

    Anyway, here are two quotes. The second one, hosed from Wikipedia, contains its own questions about authenticity.

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    "We must already be thinking of resettlement of millions of men from Germany and Europe. Migrations of people have always taken place. Are we really going to remain a nation of have-nots forever? We have the capacity to rouse and lead the masses against this situation. We intend to introduce a great resettlement policy; In 1923 little Greece could resettle a million men. Think of the biblical deportations and the massacres of the Middle Ages and remember the extermination of the Armenians [erinnern Sie sich doch an die Ausrottung Armeniens]."

    -- Adolph Hitler, interview with Richard Breiting that apeared in the German daily newspaper Leipziger Neueste Nachrichten, 4 May 1931.

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    from Wikidedia:
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    The Armenian quote is a paragraph allegedly included in a speech by Adolf Hitler to Wehrmacht commanders at his Obersalzberg home on 22 August 1939, a week before the German invasion of Poland. The authenticity of the quote has been disputed. The key area of contention regarding the "Armenian quote" is its last sentence, which contains a reference to the Armenian genocide, an episode during World War I in the Ottoman Empire, during which, according to many estimates, approximately 1,500,000 ethnic Armenians were killed. The authenticity of the quote has become hotly contested between Turkish and Armenian political activists. Since the quote is now inscribed on one of the walls of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., its authenticity has become an issue in debate over the politics of Holocaust commemoration.

    Third paragraph of Hitler's speech:

    "Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Chan hat Millionen Frauen und Kinder in den Tod gejagt, bewußt und fröhlichen Herzens. Die Geschichte sieht in ihm nur den großen Staatengründer. Was die schwache westeuropäische Zivilisation über mich behauptet, ist gleichgültig. Ich habe den Befehl gegeben -- und ich lasse jeden füsilieren, der auch nur ein Wort der Kritik äußert -- daß das Kriegsziel nicht im Erreichen von bestimmten Linien, sondern in der physischen Vernichtung des Gegners besteht. So habe ich, einstweilen nur im Osten, meine Totenkopfverbände bereitgestellt mit dem Befehl, unbarmherzig und mitleidslos Mann, Weib und Kind polnischer Abstammung und Sprache in den Tod zu schicken. Nur so gewinnen wir den Lebensraum, den wir brauchen. Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?"

    The above is verbatim according to a takedown in writing to be found in the German Foreign Office's archive. English translation below; as with any translation, due to lexical, grammatical and semantical redundancies in both languages, a variety of different wordings have been published since World War II, mostly retaining linguistic accuracy nevertheless:

    "Our strength is our quickness and our brutality. Genghis Khan had millions of women and children hunted down and killed, deliberately and with a gay heart. History sees in him only the great founder of States. What the weak Western European civilization alleges about me, does not matter. I have given the order - and will have everyone shot who utters but one word of criticism - that the aim of {translator: this} war does not consist in reaching certain {translator: geographical} lines, but in the enemies' physical elimination. Thus, for the time being only in the east, I put ready my Death's Head units, with the order to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of the Polish race or language. Only thus will we gain the living space that we need. Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?"
    Last edited by karoaper; 04-21-2007, 08:01 PM.

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    Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

    Տխուր իրականութիւնն է որ չի տարբերի ի՛նչ քան ապացոյցներ կը հաւաքենք Հայ Ցեղասպանութեան համար, որովհետեւ թուրքերը չի պիտի ընդունին մինչեւ որ Ամերիկան (եւ ուրիշ զօրաւոր երկիրները) կը ստիպեն որ ընդունին:

    The sad truth is that it doesn't matter how much evdience we gather for the Armenian Genocide, because the Turks won't accept it until America (and the other strong countries) force them to.
    Last edited by Էլիա; 04-21-2007, 05:30 PM.

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      Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

      Originally posted by Էլիա View Post
      Տխուր իրականութիւնն է որ չի տարբերի ի՛նչ քան ապացոյցներ կը հաւաքենք Հայ Ցեղասպանութեան համար, որովհետեւ թուրքերը չի պիտի ընդունին մինչեւ որ Ամերիկան (եւ ուրիշ զօրաւոր երկիրները) կը ստիպեն որ ընդունին:

      The sad truth is that it doesn't matter how much evidence we gather for the Armenian Genocide, because the Turks won't accept it until America (and other strong countries) force them to.
      Exactly, my young friend. Their entire nation is build on a foundation of theft and crime, glued together with lies. So, they will not recognize it peacefully. The genocide recognition and reparations will not be on the agenda of some peaceful treaty. It will be on the agenda at the breaking point, either economically or militarily, for turkey. They are pushing themselves further into the corner through their own actions -- louder and dirtier tactics for denial. And yet every year the affirmation of truth by the international community grows. Only through massive international pressure will this or next generation of turks realize that there is no other choice but to recognize the genocide and make reparations. If one thing is obvious after 90 years is that turks must be dealt with like you deal with a badly behaving dog. You grind its nose in it.

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        Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

        Originally posted by karoaper View Post
        Exactly, my young friend. Their entire nation is build on a foundation of theft and crime, glued together with lies. So, they will not recognize it peacefully. The genocide recognition and reparations will not be on the agenda of some peaceful treaty. It will be on the agenda at the breaking point, either economically or militarily, for turkey. They are pushing themselves further into the corner through their own actions -- louder and dirtier tactics for denial. And yet every year the affirmation of truth by the international community grows. Only through massive international pressure will this or next generation of turks realize that there is no other choice but to recognize the genocide and make reparations. If one thing is obvious after 90 years is that turks must be dealt with like you deal with a badly behaving dog. You grind its nose in it.
        Definitely! And no matter how hard the Turks try, they will never be able to stop the numbers of recognition increasing! We already have 39 (I think) out of 50 states with us and many countries out of America. Plus, there are many senators and representatives who are beginning to accept it as well! Turkey is on a road with a dead end, and there are no other directions on that road!

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          Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

          The sad truth is that it doesn't matter how much evdience we gather for the Armenian Genocide
          You dn't need gather that much evidience for Armenian Genocide. One evidience is enough. Refering to wikipedia makes it only worse.

          Their entire nation is build on a foundation of theft and crime, glued together with lies. So, they will not recognize it peacefully.
          Azeris are building a good army with more than 500.000 soldiers. Guess why?

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            Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

            Originally posted by Selpak View Post
            You dn't need gather that much evidience for Armenian Genocide. One evidience is enough. Refering to wikipedia makes it only worse.

            Azeris are building a good army with more than 500.000 soldiers. Guess why?
            Well, I understand what you mean by Wikipedia making it worse, but there are many more websites with the same information, and there are also records.

            Azeris are building an army to... attack? I'm not sure.

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              Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

              and there are also records
              Do you know how can I reach to records? And why do you think what Hitler said is an evidience of Armenian Genocide?

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                Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

                Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                Azeris are building a good army with more than 500.000 soldiers. Guess why?
                Because they would rather die than admit they are idiots?
                this post = teh win.

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                  Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

                  Originally posted by Selpak View Post
                  Do you know how can I reach to records? And why do you think what Hitler said is an evidience of Armenian Genocide?
                  Well, the Turkey has records of the orders and memoirs of the Genocide I think, but there are some records that Turkey doesn't have... There's even American newspapers that say that many Armenians are being killed during World War I... There are many interviews of survivors of the Armenian Genocide... And by the way, the thing about the "Armenian Terror" is only propoganda, because yes, Armenians did kill Turks because of the unfair rights and taxes that were put upon them just because they were Christian, and no, 3 million Turks weren't killed by Armenians... there aren't even any records, but there is an estimate of around 100 Turkish officials being killed by Armenians. And the Armenians in the Russian army isn't even half of a good reason to committ Genocide on them... And how Turks always say that "Armenians [Christians] were trying to go against Muslims" was just a myth... all this and more. As for Hitler's speech, yes it is evidence because he says, "and who remembers the extermination of the Armenians?" or something of that sort, which shows that there was a genocide on Armenians. I rest my case, and if there are any more rebuttles or arguments, go ahead and state them.

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                    Re: Who still talks nowadays of the extermination of the Armenians?

                    The authenticity of the quote has become hotly contested between Turkish and Armenian political activists.

                    Some Armenian activists are real idiots. This F---n "Hitler quote" needs to be dropped from mention by Armenians.

                    By the way karo, that dated quote I believe.
                    Last edited by skhara; 04-22-2007, 06:46 PM.

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