recognition of armenian genocide

[Vagharshapat]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

If you dont mind I have some questions to ask as I want to learn more of your opinions:
-As a Turkish citizen, what do you think the next step Turkey should take for the solution of the Armenian problem?
-The army and some politians say that AKP is a danger for "laik" Turkish nation as it supports the "religious" values. Would you consider AKP as a danger for the future of Turkey? And which political party do you support?(if you do support any)

I am very hopeless about Turkey's next step about these issues. I think that there is no intention to solve the Armenian question or the Kurdish question or the Cyprus question in the short-term. The status-quo will go on. Because the defenders of the status-quo are very strong, they are against change and they will do anything to prevent these steps by force. The biggest obstacle is the Turkish army. Whoever talks about these issues are labeled as a traitor. And whenever Turkey starts to take steps to be more democratic, the army intervenes or makes a coup. The army is the biggest threat for democracy in Turkey. AKP intended to take some steps about the Kurdish issue but they were labeled as traitors. And now they stepped back and started to talk like the others. Akp is just cowards. They can not resist anything, they couldn't even step up to the army in the presidential elections. In the past Turgut Ozal tried to do something about the Armenian issue and Kurdish issue. He had once said "Why don't we accept this genocide?" and also he had said "A federation with the Kurds can be discussed" As a result, he was killed by the deep forces of Turkey. Adnan Kahveci was one of his ministers, he said "how come this Kurdish issue cannot be solved?" He prepared a comprehensive report about this issue but later he was killed in a suspicious car accident. Some Turkish generals like Esref Bitlis had diverted from the Kemalist point of view and the status quo and they tried to find some solutions to this issue. Because they saw the truth when they were on duty in the South-eastern Anatolia, but he was killed in a suspicious plane crash, the other generals were killed in suspicious assassinations. If akp were a little bit more brave they would do good things for the future of Turkey, they would make Turkey more democratic, they were trying to apply the Copenhag criterias, I am not sure if they were really genuine at least they were striving but they are now afraid. Erdogan is afraid that he will be killed like Ozal. And he is right. I have no hope in politicians they are all liars. In these elections I will support the independent candidates like Prof.Baskin Oran and Ufuk Uras, they are the valuable intellectuals of Turkey. And they are the only solution to take radical steps in these issues. They promise that they will do radical speeches in the parliament. They know that they will be silenced and persecuted. But they are brave and believe in the Truth, they are taboo breakers. In fact they are in danger too, I worry about them........

[Vagharshapat]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

The greek speakers said NO because the turkish troops were going to remain on the island. They dont think the island just belongs to them, its just a group of patriots who claim that. They are scared of the turkish army coz of the things that happened in the past. I dont blame them as whole of my family witnessed the brutality the turkish army even though they named it was a "peace operation". Really bad things happened to them in 1974 and till now they cant take their lands back. The arrival of the turkish troops was cheered by all of us t.cypriots and we were thankful but 30 years past and there is still no solution. Its not only the G.cypriots fault but also fault of turkish politics. They like to keep their army on the island... Its the turkish who think the island belongs to them but the island belongs to all cypriots!

True...

[gizzy]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

This is only an utopia but you cannot prevent me from dreaming right? Like once Dr Luther said;"I have a dream". So this my dream.

What is restoration Armenia? It is restoration in every way. Restoration of the armenian culture, the armenian history, the monuments, the churches, the monasteries, the khackhars, every trace of armenian existance. The return to Armenia; the Armenians return to their homelands; to their cities, to their villages, can't I at least imagine that? If the Turks could only embraced them and welcomed them how great it could be. How great it would be for those underdeveloped lands.(Also there are 65 million people in Turkey right now and there are 8 territories, if you divide 65 by 8, it is 8 million. Also don't forget that in istanbul there are 15 million and the population density is on the west and there is migration from eastern anatolia to the west)

Giving them back to armenians is a gesture, an act of Justice. It can only be done by a highly civilized and peaceful country. If only Turks could come to that level of consciousness.......

If you dont mind I have some questions to ask as I want to learn more of your opinions:
-As a Turkish citizen, what do you think the next step Turkey should take for the solution of the Armenian problem?
-The army and some politians say that AKP is a danger for "laik" Turkish nation as it supports the "religious" values. Would you consider AKP as a danger for the future of Turkey? And which political party do you support?(if you do support any)

[exfo]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

The great majority of eastern Anatolia is Kurdish. And they have a great sympathy for Armenians and they really miss them,

I see. If you really believe that there was a genocide at 1915 these Kurds were the first to blame for these massacres.

I have been reading about the Armenian question for almost 15 years and I won't change my mind.

Just same as the other blind radicals here, good luck to you then.

[gizzy]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

Until the Cypriot Greeks' asimilation to people, Cypriot Turks were pleased with living with Greeks.After the war, in spite of their fears,they said YES to Annan Plan (Union of Cyprus, Living with Greeks again) but as you know, Cypriot Greeks said NO. They think Cyprus just belong to them.
So Cypriot Turks don't divide island, main Problem is Cypriot Greeks' mentality.

The greek speakers said NO because the turkish troops were going to remain on the island. They dont think the island just belongs to them, its just a group of patriots who claim that. They are scared of the turkish army coz of the things that happened in the past. I dont blame them as whole of my family witnessed the brutality the turkish army even though they named it was a "peace operation". Really bad things happened to them in 1974 and till now they cant take their lands back. The arrival of the turkish troops was cheered by all of us t.cypriots and we were thankful but 30 years past and there is still no solution. Its not only the G.cypriots fault but also fault of turkish politics. They like to keep their army on the island... Its the turkish who think the island belongs to them but the island belongs to all cypriots!

[melikianAvak]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

Oh now you became a psychologist ? If I have an inferiority complex, that must be because I am a Turk You know we were grown up like this; "Türk kadar güçlü!" "Bir Türk dünyaya bedeldir!" "Tarihten önce vardık, tarihten sonra da varız!" "Damarlarımdaki asil kan" "Türkün Türkten başka dostu yoktur" Üç kıtaya hükmettik biz yedi düvele kafa tuttuk, etc, etc. So you should know that inferiority complex comes from the superiority complex. They walk hand in hand.

Also you don't read me carefully. I said "if only Turks could embrace and welcome Armenians". There is place for everyone in Anatolia's vast lands as it were in the past. You don't have to exile the whole 8 million. The great majority of eastern Anatolia is Kurdish. And they have a great sympathy for Armenians and they really miss them, they are aware that they are living in historical Armenia and sitting on Armenian belongings, they know what they did and they feel great remorse for this. But of course you are unaware of this. 3 months ago a Kurd whose grandfather seized the lands of a Assyrian after killing him donated his lands back to Assyrians as a gesture of JUSTİCE. Maybe he had inferiority complex and he was masturbting too eh? Kurds and Armenians can agree but as always the Turks are the problem. Also you dismissed Armenians from their homelands, you seized their belongings, you brougt them to the level of extinction. There must be a price for that if you believe in justice. But I don't think that you do. Germany paid compensation, Japan paid compensation, Switzerland paid compensation, USA gave Indians rezervations. You say that 8 million arent cars or trees, I am well aware of that but that 5 million Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Nesturians, Keldanians, Ezidis were people either. So Turkey should pay for this.

Also you lack historical comprehension. I said that Tashnaks were cooperating with IT to overthrow Abdulhamid. Should I repeat again? Because they had believed in them. They had believed in a more democratic country. But IT deceived them. I have been reading about the Armenian question for almost 15 years and I won't change my mind. I don't want to repeat my arguments over and over again. It is obvious that you won't change your mind what ever I say, so no need to argue....

Very well said brother

Avak

[Vagharshapat]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

Vagharshapat; I didn't realize that you're a Turk, though you're a Turk with conscience and do recognize the good rights of people and the just that shall and must reign in this world. And it shall, it shall my Turk friend.

Thank you Anoush, thank you sister. I am deeply touched by your words.

Peace and Love

[Vagharshapat]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

Wow, what a wonderful analysis, how old are you, 6?




This "8 million" is the number of people, not cars or trees. And we can not exile them from eastern anatolia to masturb.te your inferiority complexes, sorry for that. Of course France, Germany, USA, Canada or whatelse that you admire and imitate pathetically together with Armenians here can do this “gesture” and exile their citizens and give some portion of their lands to another country, but we are still not that much “highly civilised”, sorry loser.

Oh now you became a psychologist ? If I have an inferiority complex, that must be because I am a Turk You know we were grown up like this; "Türk kadar güçlü!" "Bir Türk dünyaya bedeldir!" "Tarihten önce vardık, tarihten sonra da varız!" "Damarlarımdaki asil kan" "Türkün Türkten başka dostu yoktur" Üç kıtaya hükmettik biz yedi düvele kafa tuttuk, etc, etc. So you should know that inferiority complex comes from the superiority complex. They walk hand in hand.

Also you don't read me carefully. I said "if only Turks could embrace and welcome Armenians". There is place for everyone in Anatolia's vast lands as it were in the past. You don't have to exile the whole 8 million. The great majority of eastern Anatolia is Kurdish. And they have a great sympathy for Armenians and they really miss them, they are aware that they are living in historical Armenia and sitting on Armenian belongings, they know what they did and they feel great remorse for this. But of course you are unaware of this. 3 months ago a Kurd whose grandfather seized the lands of a Assyrian after killing him donated his lands back to Assyrians as a gesture of JUSTİCE. Maybe he had inferiority complex and he was masturbting too eh? Kurds and Armenians can agree but as always the Turks are the problem. Also you dismissed Armenians from their homelands, you seized their belongings, you brougt them to the level of extinction. There must be a price for that if you believe in justice. But I don't think that you do. Germany paid compensation, Japan paid compensation, Switzerland paid compensation, USA gave Indians rezervations. You say that 8 million arent cars or trees, I am well aware of that but that 5 million Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Nesturians, Keldanians, Ezidis were people either. So Turkey should pay for this.

Also you lack historical comprehension. I said that Tashnaks were cooperating with IT to overthrow Abdulhamid. Should I repeat again? Because they had believed in them. They had believed in a more democratic country. But IT deceived them. I have been reading about the Armenian question for almost 15 years and I won't change my mind. I don't want to repeat my arguments over and over again. It is obvious that you won't change your mind what ever I say, so no need to argue....

[exfo]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

Also there are 65 million people in Turkey right now and there are 8 territories, if you divide 65 by 8, it is 8 million.

Wow, what a wonderful analysis, how old are you, 6?

Giving them back to armenians is a gesture, an act of Justice. It can only be done by a highly civilized and peaceful country. If only Turks could come to that level of consciousness.......

This "8 million" is the number of people, not cars or trees. And we can not exile them from eastern anatolia to masturb.te your inferiority complexes, sorry for that. Of course France, Germany, USA, Canada or whatelse that you admire and imitate pathetically together with Armenians here can do this “gesture” and exile their citizens and give some portion of their lands to another country, but we are still not that much “highly civilised”, sorry loser.

[exfo]

Re: recognition of armenian genocide

I don't care if these theories are true or not. I know one thing for sure. IT IS A GENOCIDE, there is no doubt about it ok? Because I know the witnesses accounts closely.

Yes it is a genocide, no doubt, nothing to question. On the name of the genocide religion of Armenians, it is sin to question the "genocide" Yes, we are familiar to this blind, narrow minded "point of view" But this is the national tongue twister of Armenian diaspora. I want to understand which motivation bring you this parrotting, begging symphaty? inferiority complex? impressing ignorants with popular conspiracy theories?
You were claiming that 4 people that overthrown Abdulhamid do this against Armenians and after I said that one of these 4 was Armenian you suddenly forget your claim and changed the subject. Try to be more creative when fictioning conspicary theories next time.