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  • #51
    Re: recognition of armenian genocide

    Originally posted by gizzy View Post
    If you dont mind I have some questions to ask as I want to learn more of your opinions:
    -As a Turkish citizen, what do you think the next step Turkey should take for the solution of the Armenian problem?
    -The army and some politians say that AKP is a danger for "laik" Turkish nation as it supports the "religious" values. Would you consider AKP as a danger for the future of Turkey? And which political party do you support?(if you do support any)
    I am very hopeless about Turkey's next step about these issues. I think that there is no intention to solve the Armenian question or the Kurdish question or the Cyprus question in the short-term. The status-quo will go on. Because the defenders of the status-quo are very strong, they are against change and they will do anything to prevent these steps by force. The biggest obstacle is the Turkish army. Whoever talks about these issues are labeled as a traitor. And whenever Turkey starts to take steps to be more democratic, the army intervenes or makes a coup. The army is the biggest threat for democracy in Turkey. AKP intended to take some steps about the Kurdish issue but they were labeled as traitors. And now they stepped back and started to talk like the others. Akp is just cowards. They can not resist anything, they couldn't even step up to the army in the presidential elections. In the past Turgut Ozal tried to do something about the Armenian issue and Kurdish issue. He had once said "Why don't we accept this genocide?" and also he had said "A federation with the Kurds can be discussed" As a result, he was killed by the deep forces of Turkey. Adnan Kahveci was one of his ministers, he said "how come this Kurdish issue cannot be solved?" He prepared a comprehensive report about this issue but later he was killed in a suspicious car accident. Some Turkish generals like Esref Bitlis had diverted from the Kemalist point of view and the status quo and they tried to find some solutions to this issue. Because they saw the truth when they were on duty in the South-eastern Anatolia, but he was killed in a suspicious plane crash, the other generals were killed in suspicious assassinations. If akp were a little bit more brave they would do good things for the future of Turkey, they would make Turkey more democratic, they were trying to apply the Copenhag criterias, I am not sure if they were really genuine at least they were striving but they are now afraid. Erdogan is afraid that he will be killed like Ozal. And he is right. I have no hope in politicians they are all liars. In these elections I will support the independent candidates like Prof.Baskin Oran and Ufuk Uras, they are the valuable intellectuals of Turkey. And they are the only solution to take radical steps in these issues. They promise that they will do radical speeches in the parliament. They know that they will be silenced and persecuted. But they are brave and believe in the Truth, they are taboo breakers. In fact they are in danger too, I worry about them........
    Last edited by Vagharshapat; 07-01-2007, 06:32 AM.

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    • #52
      Re: recognition of armenian genocide

      Originally posted by exfo View Post
      I see. If you really believe that there was a genocide at 1915 these Kurds were the first to blame for these massacres.
      The biggest virtue is to face with the Truth, with yourself and with history. The Kurds faced with their history, they know what they did but the Turks didn't face with themselves or their history.

      Kurds are not the first to blame. They were used by the Ottoman government. They were strongly bound to the caliph and the sultan. They were just an ignorant people of Anatolia. They were used as a killing hand by the Turks. The Ottoman seyh-ul-islam gave a fatwa saying that "the blood and the possessions of Armenians are HELAL to muslims". They provoked the native Anatolians who lived side by side for thousands of years to eachother. Kurds are very well aware of this...



      Just same as the other blind radicals here, good luck to you then.
      If you are raped in a dark alley, you don't need to discuss with people who don't believe that you are raped but you know the truth...
      Last edited by Vagharshapat; 07-01-2007, 06:29 AM.

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      • #53
        Re: recognition of armenian genocide

        Originally posted by Vagharshapat View Post
        I am very hopeless about Turkey's next step about these issues. I think that there is no intention to solve the Armenian question or the Kurdish question or the Cyprus question in the short-term. The status-quo will go on. Because the defenders of the status-quo are very strong, they are against change and they will do anything to prevent these steps by force. The biggest obstacle is the Turkish army. Whoever talks about these issues are labeled as a traitor. And whenever Turkey starts to take steps to be more democratic, the army intervenes or makes a coup. The army is the biggest threat for democracy in Turkey. AKP intended to take some steps about the Kurdish issue but they were labeled as traitors. And now they stepped back and started to talk like the others. Akp is just cowards. They can not resist anything, they couldn't even step up to the army in the presidential elections. In the past Turgut Ozal tried to do something about the Armenian issue and Kurdish issue. He had once said "Why don't we accept this genocide?" and also he had said "A federation with the Kurds can be discussed" As a result, he was killed by the deep forces of Turkey. Adnan Kahveci was one of his ministers, he said "how come this Kurdish issue cannot be solved?" He prepared a comprehensive report about this issue but later he was killed in a suspicious car accident. Some Turkish generals like Esref Bitlis had diverted from the Kemalist point of view and the status quo and they tried to find some solutions to this issue. Because they saw the truth when they were on duty in the South-eastern Anatolia, but he was killed in a suspicious plane crash, the other generals were killed in suspicious assassinations. If akp were a little bit more brave they would do good things for the future of Turkey, they would make Turkey more democratic, they were trying to apply the Copenhag criterias, I am not sure if they were really genuine at least they were striving but they are now afraid. Erdogan is afraid that he will be killed like Ozal. And he is right. I have no hope in politicians they are all liars. In these elections I will support the independent candidates like Prof.Baskin Oran and Ufuk Uras, they are the valuable intellectuals of Turkey. And they are the only solution to take radical steps in these issues. They promise that they will do radical speeches in the parliament. They know that they will be silenced and persecuted. But they are brave and believe in the Truth, they are taboo breakers. In fact they are in danger too, I worry about them........
        I see. Sorry but I have more questions XD

        1-The terrorsim issue: It seems like a never-ending problem and many turkish people(both soldiers and civilians) have died. What is the possible solution you have in mind that would help eliminate terrorism? Do you think the terrism will come to an end the "army way"?

        2-Kemalizm: I have extremly limited knowledge about Kemalizm but as far as I understand it is being used as the "root" for "turkishness" and "Misak-I Milli". How would you explain Kemalizm in our own words?

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        • #54
          Re: recognition of armenian genocide

          Originally posted by gizzy View Post
          1-The terrorsim issue: It seems like a never-ending problem and many turkish people(both soldiers and civilians) have died. What is the possible solution you have in mind that would help eliminate terrorism?

          Considering that
          1- The "never ending problem" is nothing but the illegal presence of jurks in Anatolia, Cyprus and...
          2- What you hypocritically call "terrorists" are, just like the Native Americans in this picture, freedom fighters against the criminal occupiers that are the *urks i.e. your nation.
          Then , obviously, the solution may involve dismantling TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey and returning the lands to their rightful owners. DUH!
          LOL Don't worry, if you took back to Central Asia only part of what you have looted and stolen then you should be able to have a very comfortable life among your Taliban cousins.

          As for the "many turkish people(both soldiers and civilians) have died," worried about the life of a handful of parasites when millions of non-*urks have been killed by your kind, Ms. Hypocrite?





          Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations
          Last edited by Siamanto; 07-02-2007, 12:41 PM.
          What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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          • #55
            Re: recognition of armenian genocide

            Originally posted by gizzy View Post
            I see. Sorry but I have more questions XD

            1-The terrorsim issue: It seems like a never-ending problem and many turkish people(both soldiers and civilians) have died. What is the possible solution you have in mind that would help eliminate terrorism? Do you think the terrism will come to an end the "army way"?

            2-Kemalizm: I have extremly limited knowledge about Kemalizm but as far as I understand it is being used as the "root" for "turkishness" and "Misak-I Milli". How would you explain Kemalizm in our own words?
            We could easily call them freedom fighters, but their leadership is corrupt. The leadership is ruthless, merciless and fascist. They can easily label a guerilla as a traitor and execute him. They are not just, fair and truthful. They are just greedy. But the guerillas are fighting for a rightful cause. They are the naive and brave people of Kurdistan. In fact we could not call it terrorism if the leaders of PKK were not terrorising their own guerilla and their own Kurdish people. But they are terrorising the Kurds. They massacre the villages for being traitors. They kill women and children. Their own people. Some guerillas object this and are punished severely. In fact they were just attacking the military targets and they were fighting on the mountains, they didn't have terrorist activities in the big cities. This can't be called terrorism but only a guerilla war. But as I said, they do some very wrong things and they terrorise the whole land because of their stupid leaders. I have never appreciated violence but they had no other choice. Because the Turkish state have been terrorising them for 80 years. So they didn't start this violence. The only solution for this problem is democracy, nothing else.

            About Kemalism; the positive thing is it brougt modernism and secularity. But they are not enough. It is still a fascist ideology and we have been suffering for it for 80 years.............

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            • #56
              Re: recognition of armenian genocide

              Originally posted by Vagharshapat View Post
              I once read in a book about ASALA that Asala was very well aware of this truth. And also they knew the responsibility of the Crypto-Jevish elite for the genocide. The book suggests, that is why they purposely attacked the personnel of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs..........
              Which book.

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              • #57
                Re: recognition of armenian genocide

                Originally posted by Vagharshapat View Post
                We could easily call them freedom fighters, but their leadership is corrupt. The leadership is ruthless, merciless and fascist. They can easily label a guerilla as a traitor and execute him. They are not just, fair and truthful. They are just greedy. But the guerillas are fighting for a rightful cause. They are the naive and brave people of Kurdistan. In fact we could not call it terrorism if the leaders of PKK were not terrorising their own guerilla and their own Kurdish people. But they are terrorising the Kurds. They massacre the villages for being traitors. They kill women and children. Their own people. Some guerillas object this and are punished severely. In fact they were just attacking the military targets and they were fighting on the mountains, they didn't have terrorist activities in the big cities. This can't be called terrorism but only a guerilla war. But as I said, they do some very wrong things and they terrorise the whole land because of their stupid leaders. I have never appreciated violence but they had no other choice. Because the Turkish state have been terrorising them for 80 years. So they didn't start this violence. The only solution for this problem is democracy, nothing else.

                About Kemalism; the positive thing is it brougt modernism and secularity. But they are not enough. It is still a fascist ideology and we have been suffering for it for 80 years.............

                Well, I think nobody would choose the option of killing if they thought they had any other choice. On top of that there is a risk of them dying themselves. They certainly believe thats their only option and thats why they are ready to die.

                What about the people in turkish army? They also die for their "country" in order to fight terrorism. It shows on TV and internet that some turkish families crying afther their "şehit" and they are usually poor looking people. While their leaders are sitting on their "deer leather" chairs, while their "rich" is living in confort and probably "paying money" in order to not attend the army, the poor people of turkey send their sons to die...

                I personally believe that "regardless of their class" the value of a "human being" is more than a "flag" or a "piece of land". It is certainly not fair, especially when a group of people is the only ones suffering and the "lucky people" are living in confort... I feel deeply sorry for them...

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                • #58
                  Re: recognition of armenian genocide

                  Originally posted by gizzy View Post
                  Well, I think nobody would choose the option of killing if they thought they had any other choice. On top of that there is a risk of them dying themselves. They certainly believe thats their only option and thats why they are ready to die.

                  What about the people in turkish army? They also die for their "country" in order to fight terrorism. It shows on TV and internet that some turkish families crying afther their "şehit" and they are usually poor looking people. While their leaders are sitting on their "deer leather" chairs, while their "rich" is living in confort and probably "paying money" in order to not attend the army, the poor people of turkey send their sons to die...

                  I personally believe that "regardless of their class" the value of a "human being" is more than a "flag" or a "piece of land". It is certainly not fair, especially when a group of people is the only ones suffering and the "lucky people" are living in confort... I feel deeply sorry for them...
                  You are absolutely right. 20 year old soldiers die because of the wrong politics of stupid politicians. They have no intention to solve this the democratic way. Innocent people die. I served in the Turkish army. I served in the western region of Turkey. But if I had served in the east, I could have been killed too. So what is the point? Violence is nonsense. We need a Gandhi !!!

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                  • #59
                    Re: recognition of armenian genocide

                    Originally posted by Կարմիր Բ View Post
                    Which book.
                    The book is called "Asala Operations" by Aydogan Vatandas...

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                    • #60
                      Re: recognition of armenian genocide

                      look!!!armenian stupid gays.You didn't understand history and you will not anytime.Because you are miserable and you are cursed race!!


                      TANRI TÜRK'Ü KORUSUN VE YÜCELTSİN!!!
                      TÜRK'ÜN LANETİ ÜZERİNİZE OLSUN!

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