How the suggestion of debate over Armenian's allegations of gencoide

[freakyfreaky]

lead back to george clooney.

You may recall last year that when KCET ran Andrew Goldberg's Armenian Genocide documentary, KCET decided to allow debate of the issue with a panel of Jurks challenging historical fact. http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...ting_Armenians

Some affiliates refused to show the program for fear that the debates would offend viewers.

At the time of this controversy, a director for KCET LA was Bruce Ramer.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_36_27/ai_n15679479

http://www.kcet.org/about/management-boards/index.php

Ramer has been George Clooney's attorney for some time. He's been Steven Spielberg's attorney for ever. The mechanical shark in the movie Jaws is named Bruce after Mr. Ramer.

http://www.hollywoodreporteresq.com/thresq/talent/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003287743&imw=Y

He was a former president of the Ameican xxxish Committee.

http://www.ajcarchives.org/main.php?GroupingId=1710

He's still active in AJC functions.

http://www.wfn.org/2007/08/msg00108.html

He remains an honorary president of AJC.

http://www.ajclosangeles.org/site/c.mlI0IfN1JyE/b.2026693/k.7221/Previous_AJCLA_Events.htm

He thinks Shimon Peres is a poet. As, AJC president he referred to Mr. Peres as such. President Bush agrees with Mr. Ramer's assessment.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010504.html

Months before Mr. Bush's statement, Mr. Peres proved himself to be a denier of the Armenian Genocide.

http://www.anca.org/action_alerts/actionalerts.php?aaid=23

The AJC is one of the American J-ewish lobby groups and local J-ewish grassroots organizations that helps form Save Darfur organization. It was fomed circa 2004 when a Armenian genocide resolution with much support was before Congress.

http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/organizational_members

http://www.xxxishjournal.com/home/print.php?id=13115

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...rticle/Printer (George Clooney at the mall for Save Darfur rally)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5347660.stm

(Clooney to U.N. to urge U.N to act on Darfur)

American J-ewish lobby was definitely behind the creation of the Save Darfur program.

http://www.forward.com/articles/an-exemplar-of-the-best-of-america/

Mr. Ramer is a member of the Committee for Present Danger, Board of Trustees for the International Forum of Deutsche Bank, Shoah Foundation, and U.S.C Board of Trustees.

http://www.fightingterror.org/members/index.cfm (promoting regime change in Iran - Armenia's major ally)

http://www.alfred-herrhausen-gesells...e/en/3906.html (committed to the continued existence of civil society)

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/tradition_innovation/leadership/shoah_foundation.html

http://www.usc.edu/about/administration/trustees/

The bottom line is Mr. Ramer is an apologist for a genocide denier - Mr. Peres - and George Clooney, his client, is trying to convince everyone that it won't happen on our watch but is really just assisting the American J-ewish lobby in running interference in opposition to the U.S. Congressional recognition of the Armenian genocide.

Apparently, atrocities in Sudan are not subject to debate as to whether or not it is actually genocide while those acts are still being committed. The U.S., the U.N. and all the world must recognize it as genocide. But, the Armenian tragedy which is not subject debate at the academic level should not be recognized at the political level because Turkey says it ain't so contrary to overwhelming evidence to the otherwise.

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Re: How the suggestion of debate over Armenian's allegations of gencoide

George Clooney rails against the administration re: War on Terror/Iraq.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/8957203/george_clooney

And, I'm not saying J-ews control or his attorney control the media or anything, but, almost immediately after 9/11, the White House sought Bruce Ramer's advice and input on framing the War Against Terror media propaganda machine. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111...nlists+in+war;; http://www.laweekly.com/index.php?op...10330&Itemid=;

So, either Mr. Clooney is ignorant or stupid, but regardless he is just a fool for neo-con, Zionist interests. And, as such, he is no friend to Armenia. Where is George Clooney? Didn't see him say a peep when American J-urkish Lobby was implicated in transporting Turkey's anti-genocide message through the halls of congress, or when the U.N. pulled a genocide display which made reference to the Armenian genocide due to J-urkish pressure or when the ADL and AJC suggest "dispassionate scholarly examination" to determine the veracity of Armenian's genocide allegations when those allegations have already been reduced to indisputable, historical fact.

Armenians have shown respect for SAVE DARFUR and NOT ON OUR WATCH's position, but those organizations do not really care about genocide recognition, at least by Israel, U.S. and Turkey, no. Why because they are just golem for the American J-urkish Lobby to kill recognition of the Armenian genocide at the political level.

Do you hear George Clooney railing against Israel for refusing to take in the Darfurian refugees? No. Not a peep. WHERE IS GEORGE CLOONEY? Holler back, you clown!!!
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Mr. Ramer certainly has demonstrated Pro-Turkey leanings in the past.

http://www.tusiad.us/specific_page.cfm?CONTENT_ID=50

(Turkey was aware of Ramer's efforts as AJC president on behalf of Ankara in 2001)

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PERES' STATEMENT ON ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CLAIMS

Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres has said that claims of Armenian Genocide are "meaningless". “We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide." The Armenians in the US reacted negatively to Peres' statement. The Israeli Consulate General in Los Angeles stated, "This issue should be dealt with by historians and not politicians. We do not support the comparison of the Armenian tragedies to the xxxish Holocaust. Israel will not take a historical and political stance on the issue." The Armenian lobby initiated a message campaign, denouncing these statements. /Hurriyet/

xxxISH LOBBY SENDS A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO BUSH

The xxxish lobby in the US sent a letter to President Bush urging to continue the support Bush Administration is providing in Ankara's efforts to reestablish a cooperative relationship with the International Monetary Fund. The President of the American xxxish Community, Bruce Ramer, and executive director Shula Bahat said in the letter they appreciated Bush's personal support for Turkey. The letter stressed the development of Turkey's political and economic modernization is important for US strategic, political and economic interests in the region. /Milliyet/
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Here's the president thanking Mr. Ramer again at last year's AJC Centennial Dinner in Washington, DC. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...060504-15.html

And, don't forget Senator Joe Biden, head of foreign affairs committee, kissing his butt too. http://www.joebiden.com/getinformed/speeches?id=0018

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1116675206.html?categoryid=18&cs=1

(Governor Wilson appointed Mr. Ramer to California Strategy Panel)

http://xxxishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=17972

(Recent Los Angeles J-ewish Journal about J-ewish fundraising in Hollywood quoting Ramer re: Hollywood activists impact on J-ewish causes)

http://www.bettzedek.org/PDF/runaways.pdf

(He's certainly well regarded among the chief attorneys for the major studios)

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See, regardless of the American J-ewish lobby's stance on the Armenian genocide, there are also other fundamental problems with the lobby in relation to Armenian interests.

A strong American J-urkish lobby does not fare well for Armenians regardless of U.S. genocide recognition as the lobby's interests clash almost on point with Armenian interests.

They support Israel and Israel supports Turkey and Azerbaijan. Its almost as simple as that. But, there is more.

They are extremely Pro-Israel.

They will resort to Zionist tactics including lying about historical fact and placing the Holocaust and protection of the J-ewish state over Armenian history and security.

They also have a neo-conservative bend extremely focused on taking down Tehran, as they see Iran as Israel's threat.

No doubt about it, their assisting to instigate war in Iran may have long-term, economic, political and strategic impact on Armenia as Iran is our only ally that shares a common border with Armenia and Armenian regions interests (oil, energy) are becoming more and more aligned with Iran.

The ironic thing about their desire to take down Iran is that they seem to have little or no concern for the Iranian J-ewish community when they rattle their sword through the media and that community is just as large as the T-urkish community and more prominent in the day to day life of Israelis as a recognizable portion of the Israeli population is made up of Iranian J-ews who are not J-urkish by the way.

In fact, the running joke amongst J-ews still in Iran is that they will not move to Israel because they won't make any money there. Oddly, you don't see Foxman or David Harris concerned about how ADL, AJC and the American J-urkish lobby's tactics may potentially harm Iranian or (Armenian) J-ews for that matter.

Heck, they even prioritize which J-ews they are worried about. Iranian J-ews and Armenian J-ews are just above Armenians on the priority list.

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Re: How the suggestion of debate over Armenian's allegations of gencoide

Apparently, the same Darfur refugees that made Mr. Clooney cry (http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...ge+Clooney+cry),

didn't cause Mr. Olmert or Mr. Peres to even blink.

[Sip]

Re: How the suggestion of debate over Armenian's allegations of gencoide

At least he is not jewish ... if he were, I can only imagine how much all this would be blown out of proportion on how he and his people committed the Genocide against the Armenians

[freakyfreaky]

Re: How the suggestion of debate over Armenian's allegations of gencoide

Sip, are you paying attention, Pro-Israeli, Turkish activist j-ews are writing opinion pieces in Israeli newspapers telling the J-ewry not to get involved in a debate to be left between Armenians and Turks because Armenians actually committed genocide against J-ews and muslims during the same period claimed as that in which the Armenian genocide was committed.

Are you disputing that the Young Turks were complicit in the design and execution of the plan to cleans Ottoman Turkey of Armenians?

Are you rejecting that the Young Turks were comprised in part by J-ews?

There is historical support for both of those statements.

Anyways, some more views of the Darfur genocide through the view of American J-ewish lobbying organizations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/24/AR2007082402163.html

(Washington Post reports that most J-ewish organizations that have lambasted Sudan, China and U.S. for not acting responsibly re: Darfur tragedy remained silent on Israel's refusal to grant asylum for Darfur refugees and Israel's stance raises question re: the erosion of its national identity)

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-israel0826.artaug26,0,4377394.story

(Connecticut newspaper republishes same article above)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392502797&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

(A week later, Jpost reports US J-ewry unimpressed by Israel's public relations re: Darfur refugees; American J-ewish Committee criticizes Israel's handling of refugees including imprisoning hundreds of male refugees; identifies J-ewish organizations as major players in Save Darfur coalition; some U.S. J-ewish lobby organizations refuse to publicly criticize Israel; reports Human Rights Watch petitioned Egyptian courts re: country's mistreatment of refugees)

http://hrwcalifornia.org/south/newsletters/Spring%202004%20Newsletter%20Redo.pdf

(Hey, look Mr. Ramer - Clooney's attorney - is a member of Human Rights Watch and in 2004 hosted a commemoration of the 10th anniversary Rwanda Genocide - ask yourself has the HRWCalifornia ever commemorated an anniversary of the Armenian genocide?) Hmm, why is that?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00063.htm

(New Zealand newssource reports that Human Rights Watch may be overpowered by Israeli lobby)

http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/221.pdf

(Previously, Mr. Ramer testified to Int'l Relations Committee of U.S. House of Representatives that UN was discriminating against Israel)

http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?cat=19

(This one is funny; Representative of the J-ewry Luke Ford reports of the painful program held last month by memri.org and American Cinema Foundation including co-host Mr. Ramer re: the threat anti-semitism poses to the U.S.) Wow, what about the threat Zionism and US J-ewish lobby's influence on U.S. foreign policy poses to the U.S.??

http://www.thexxxishadvocate.com/this_weeks_issue/news/?content_id=3610

(J-ewish newspaper in Mass. publishes article detailing Darfur activist groups responding to Israel's actions on Darfur; its great b/c it contains quotes from members of the J-ewish community in Boston like the Israeli Consul to U.S. in New England, and Nancy Kaufman, Exec. Dir. of the J-ewish Community Relations Council of Greater Boston)

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgbqXuUZjAp6mA3DcGXUNmCurNpA

(Clooney honored by French government for achievements in cinema; Clooney thanks France for efforts in Darfur crisis but silent on Israel's refusal to grant Darfur refugees asylum or refusal to examine them for entitlement to asylum in violation of UN convention on treatment of refugees)