An Appeal To All Armenians

[Steph]

Armenagan,
Step down from your soap-box for a moment and tell me what are the main political aims of Ramgavar, how you differ from other political parties and why people should perhaps join and support you.
I am interested in open dialogue and how you view your party.

[Joseph]

who is threatening who are you on Glue or Drugs or you simply dont understand English ,even though you live in UK??
what do you suggest to do? sleep with the Turks and tell them thank you for butchering us like sheeps?,raped our ancestors,raped our land
or are you already sleeping with them?or you have someone who is?

im not the one who is defending people who are kissing the turks ass .people like you are
so i wonder what you are? a barbarian Turk or Wanna be a Turk?

Armenagan, nobody on this forum has done or is doing any of the things you have written. Please read our posts, especially steph's before you make any judgments. If we are not nationalist enough for you, please join another forum. Read anything by myself, steph, Hovik,1.5, Kharpert, Bell, Gavur, Tongue, etc before you make any snap judgements. If your first post was in regards to TARC or similar activities, we here do not support those false initiatives.

[1.5 million]

IMO Armenian Jack boot types are more of a threat then any Armenians who befriend Turks. First of all one must distinguish between befreinding Turks and understanding that the Turks of today are not necissarily the same as those who caused the genocide and butchering of our people - even if some of these certainly remain - particularly in the higher echelons of the Turkish government and among the more hyper-nationalistic elements. I for one believe diolouge with and education of Turks is the path we must take not continued animosity and building and maintaining impregnable walls. Without communication and some degree of an olive branch (between peoples) then there is no hope of recognition and ultimatly solution. I fear though that many - on both sides - would rather just perpetuate the division between our peoples for their own ends for sustainiment of themselves etc. I find this apauling and dangerous. I will never advocate any comprimise on the genocide issue in regards to recognition and responsibility - but neither would I advocate condeming the Turks of today who might be perhaps ignorant of the history or misguided and neither will I turn from enlightened Turks or those with potential for such just because they are "Turks" - this is silly and shortsighted.

When TARC was formed and underway I absolutly opposed the initiative as it was claiming to be more then it was (and didn't truly represent Armenians) and because the Turkish side clearly was not entering into it honestly but in order to perpetuate their traditional (denying) agenda under false guise. However in hindsight I feel that TARC accomplished some key things - first it exposed the Turkish position (that can be applied to this proposal of each government appinting "historians" to discuss/investigate the Genocide - clearly we can see who the Turks will put forth at this time - inflexible deniers...so we can use the TARC experience to demonstrate this. Second the ruling of the ICTJ which was undertaken at the behest of (the Turkish memebers of) TARC fully backfired against the Turkish position and is another powerful international referrence to the legitimacy of Armenian claims that the AG certainly consitutes genocide in the full legal sense. So in the end TARC was good for us - though I would hope the lessons learned from the undertaking will not be lost on Armenians in the future.

As for these Armenian jack boots who demeand feality to their extreme and intragent postions well I say again "go to hell". Besides being an utter laughingstock and something that clearly can be used against us (by Turks) in the international realm (by claiming that Armenians are not interested in either peace or even basic diologue) their positions and approach is/are absolutly disgusting. Armenians don't need "Big Brother" telling them what to do or what they can't do - who do they think we are - uneducated Turks? Come now. I really don't think I need to elaborate on this. Sounds like a bunch of 5th graders really and certianly is a relic from another time - more primative and unworthy of consideration in the times we are in - not that such blabber should ever have been taken seriously. An embarrasment for sure and certain to be used against us.

[bell-the-cat]

Please re-read what your post says......are you on a different planet?

Bloody Gestapo!

I'm surprised to say that I actually totally agree with steph for once.

[Steph]

I'm surprised to say that I actually totally agree with steph for once.

That bowl of milk I left out last night was worth it then !

[imported_Armenagan]

Armenagan, nobody on this forum has done or is doing any of the things you have written. Please read our posts, especially steph's before you make any judgments. If we are not nationalist enough for you, please join another forum. Read anything by myself, steph, Hovik,1.5, Kharpert, Bell, Gavur, Tongue, etc before you make any snap judgements. If your first post was in regards to TARC or similar activities, we here do not support those false initiatives.

Dear Joseph (harkankneres)
I didnt accuse anyone about anything in the 1st place, All i did i posted the article because this site is dedicated to Armenian Genocide which i respect alot ,and few people jumped attacking it ,withouth knowing what is the real meaning behind it,This article isnt about people who are talking with people like Orhan Pamuk and the rest of intelectual Turkish people who belive that Armenian Genocide did happen,and i dont think Turks = evil ,I am Against individuals that are giving interviews on Turkish Media for 2 hours and blaming the Armenian side for the Genocide,and one day the Turkish side will use it against us .
So do you think saying that the Turks attacked the Armenians because there were few Armenian Terrorist Factions ,Is Right?
And please tell me how and when did i Threaten this entity??lol
By the way if i shout (thif) and someone gets paranoid and starts attacking me, what do you think of that person?

thank you
Me

[Steph]

Dear Joseph (harkankneres)
I didnt accuse anyone about anything in the 1st place, All i did i posted the article because this site is dedicated to Armenian Genocide which i respect alot ,and few people jumped attacking it ,withouth knowing what is the real meaning behind it,This article isnt about people who are talking with people like Orhan Pamuk and the rest of intelectual Turkish people who belive that Armenian Genocide did happen,and i dont think Turks = evil ,I am Against individuals that are giving interviews on Turkish Media for 2 hours and blaming the Armenian side for the Genocide,and one day the Turkish side will use it against us .
So do you think saying that the Turks attacked the Armenians because there were few Armenian Terrorist Factions ,Is Right?
And please tell me how and when did i Threaten this entity??lol
By the way if i shout (thif) and someone gets paranoid and starts attacking me, what do you think of that person?

thank you
Me

Armenagan,
I think that you'll find that the majority on this forum and yourself hold the same views in the main part.
However if you read the article you first posted, read it again, you'll perhaps see why people react to it the way I and others did.
The claim in this article, that The Armenian Cause is the exclusive property of Western Armenians. Really astounding. What of Yerevantsi etc?
1.5's response to it really summed up the Armenian character and the futility of any group attempting to suppress the individuality which threads right through the nationality.
This forum includes such a diversity of characters and opinions, whilst seeking the same common objective. It holds brilliant articles, discussions, arguments, short-term b*tching at each other et al, but that's what makes it vibrant and reflects the greater community whilst never been diverted from the main goal :

RECOGNITION.

Unfortunately, I for one, have not, and probably will never, the opportunity to speak to the turkish media, for 2 minutes let alone 2 hours, God wish that I could.
I, like many others I'm sure, welcome you to this forum, hoping your future contributions will build on the foundations laid by the likes of Joseph, Hovik,1.5,Gavur, Bell and many others.

[Joseph]

Armenagan,
I think that you'll find that the majority on this forum and yourself hold the same views in the main part.
However if you read the article you first posted, read it again, you'll perhaps see why people react to it the way I and others did.
The claim in this article, that The Armenian Cause is the exclusive property of Western Armenians. Really astounding. What of Yerevantsi etc?
1.5's response to it really summed up the Armenian character and the futility of any group attempting to suppress the individuality which threads right through the nationality.
This forum includes such a diversity of characters and opinions, whilst seeking the same common objective. It holds brilliant articles, discussions, arguments, short-term b*tching at each other et al, but that's what makes it vibrant and reflects the greater community whilst never been diverted from the main goal :

RECOGNITION.

Unfortunately, I for one, have not, and probably will never, the opportunity to speak to the turkish media, for 2 minutes let alone 2 hours, God wish that I could.
I, like many others I'm sure, welcome you to this forum, hoping your future contributions will build on the foundations laid by the likes of Joseph, Hovik,1.5,Gavur, Bell and many others.

Well said. Our intention here is to discuss the Armenian Genocide, exchange information, theories, and news relating to the issue. We absolutely do not discuss the validity of something that is a historical fact nor do we take seriously any members who propose that the Armenian Genocide did not occur or is not a Genocide, etc. The number one rule of this forum is that denial leads to loss of membership.This is why we were taken aback by the form editorial written by the Ramgavar Party. We are that last ones anyone should be preaching to.I think we call all agree that we have never advocated any kind of reconciliation without recognition...full stop. Any such action is no reconciliation at all.