Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

I been telling you guys not to blame the leaders of Armenia because it is not their call and this proves it
"At that moment Mr. Lavrov wrote a short note to Mr. Nalbandian. It had six words ‘Edward! Agree to ceremony without statements,'" Kommersant's source reported. "The note was also co-signed by Kouchner, Solana, and Zbogar."

Armenia is no more independent then Michigan. The sooner one understands this the sooner everything will make sence.

[londontsi]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Facts? I'll give you facts, most of Turkeys free academia (not contracted by the state to deny) acknowledges Armenian Genocide, what of it?

And let me read between the lines.

This whole protocol is being orchestrated in such a manner that at the right time Turkey will acknowledge the genocide but not before it covers itself regarding any liability.

The first stage will be secured by guaranteed borders (via acceptance the various treaties).

So Turkey will get the clear bill of health from the civilized countries. All our losses will be deemed unrecoverable ( already hinted by SS).

The game already is being played regarding Karabagh.

[Federate]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

U.S. and Russia detail their roles in Armenia-Turkey deal



Reports by U.S. and Russian officials played up their respective interventions as decisive in getting Armenia and Turkey to sign the protocols on bilateral relations.

The October 10 signing in Zurich, Switzerland, of the protocols, which require parliamentary ratification to take effect, was delayed by several hours after Armenian and Turkish foreign ministers Edward Nalbandian and Ahmet Davutoglu took issue with each other's proposed post-signing statements.

En route from Zurich to London later that night, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton revealed that she and Assistant Secretary for Europe Phil Gordon "have been dealing with [Armenia-Turkey issues] for months."

The United States initially had claimed no public role, with Switzerland serving as the formal mediator.

Mrs. Clinton said she was on the phone with the Armenian and Turkish foreign ministers "to get everybody in the same place." She also talked to President Barack Obama "several times."

"So that's when I went in and spent time talking through some of the concerns that had been expressed, and brought Minister Nalbandian with us back to the university," with other senior officials arriving there for the delayed signing ceremony.

Meanwhile, citing an unnamed source in "one of the delegations," the Russian daily Kommersant gave credit for "saving the day" to Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

"While Secretary Clinton was trying to convince the sides to avoid a scandal, Lavrov, [European Union foreign affairs commissioner] Javier Solana, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, and Slovenian Foreign Minister [present on behalf of Council of Europe] Samuel Zbogar were watching the Russia-Germany soccer game."

When the game was over, the Armenian and Turkish foreign ministers were presented with an ultimatum and a deadline to sign, Kommersant claimed.

"At that moment Mr. Lavrov wrote a short note to Mr. Nalbandian. It had six words ‘Edward! Agree to ceremony without statements,'" Kommersant's source reported. "The note was also co-signed by Kouchner, Solana, and Zbogar."

The signing ceremony went ahead in silence, concluding with hugs, kisses, and no comments.

Turkish leaders have since said they did not expect ratification any time soon. Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that ratification is "going to be difficult."

"There is a lot of very difficult, complex issues that have to continually be discussed and worked out," she said following the signing. "The Armenians, as we saw with President [Serge] Sargsian's tour, have people around the world with strong feelings."

http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2009-10-17-u-s--and-russia-detail-their-roles-in-armenia-turkey-deal

[Army]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

ohhh vegetables, is it like from a cucumber to cucumber or shaft to shaft there are differences ?
sorry if i didn't understand.

You got me totally wrong. Ok, forget it

However your average Turk is obviously more worried about keeping a roof over his head and Turkey's political leadership will be under domestic pressure to demonstrate progress on the economic front.

Yes, probably if AKP would lose its majority one day, that would be because of the economy politics. Many of the people find them too much liberal -capitalist-.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

To be truthful, no offence, but I have never seen anyone that talked so much to say very little as Haykagan and Armenagan ! except for one person maybe, the "Armenian".

Thats because we are forced to repeat ourselves over and over again since dense people like you dont get it after only a dozen explanations.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

They have used up the talking points the ANCA sent them.

To be truthful, no offence, but I have never seen anyone that talked so much to say very little as Haykagan and Armenagan ! except for one person maybe, the "Armenian".

[retro]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

This is called Win-Win strategy. In diplomatics, instead of causing small 'Cold Wars' with other states; solving the problems in a way that boths sides could gain is a better solution. And thats currently the main ideology behind the Turkish Foreign Affairs. Their new Minister of Foreign Affairs is a Prof. known as the Turkish doyen of this Win-Win strategy. He is not even a parliament, he has no political background, but they made him the Minister. That clearly shows us that Ankara is strictly following that ideology.

I agree, the Turks are sitting on the fence and mirroring European foreign policy. Progress in the foreign affairs arena also improves Turkeys international standing. However your average Turk is obviously more worried about keeping a roof over his head and Turkey's political leadership will be under domestic pressure to demonstrate progress on the economic front.

Few conflicts are intractable and it's a mistake to be entirely clinical. Improved regional security should lead to far greater investment, more extensive trade ties and possible collaborative inter-state infrastructure projects. Such as logistical corridors and energy/pipeline networks.

[Armanen]

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You guys are terrible at debating. You cannot support your arguments rationaly thus you devolve into insults and emotional appeals. Grow up you guys, this is just silly. If my arguments are so silly and wrong then why dont you prove me wrong instead of reacting this way?

They have used up the talking points the ANCA sent them.

[Armanen]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Why? Does someone has to put it in my eye to make it see the reality of it or shouldn't I trust my uncle and aunt nor friends and numerous posts in here and elsewhere and in the newspapers too?

My point, Anoush jan, is that you should go to Armenia as soon as possible and see things for yourself rather than listening to what others say. This is the point I brought up in another thread; too many Armenians in the Diaspora who have never been to Armenia are jumping to overly emotional conclusions. This seems ironic to me, since I would expect those same Armenians to have at least visited the Homeland once in their lifetime, if not more often.

And this is not directed at you, since you said you have been to Armenia.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkish-Armenian signing delayed; Clinton departs

Well as a one track math person That would look emotional to you dear opposite.In real life that's called a successful debate.

The only successful debate you ever had was with a stop sign.