Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

[vampire06ank]

hi i think this song wonderfull.can you translate english?

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Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

When I was in Elazig a couple of years ago I saw them live on TV as they were giving a concert in nearby Tunceli. It was part of some end-of-term student festival that a lot of towns and cities in Turkey host. At the same time as the Tunceli thing was on TV I was able to watch the equivalent one in Elazig from my hotel window as it was going on in a square opposite. It was just some boring Turkish singers and the audience were having much less fun than those in Tunceli.

Pity about all the dated Marxist-Leninist imagery they use (a bit like a bunch of kids shouting out some taboo bad language just because they can) - sad (and a bit unpleasant) if they actually believe it. For the Tunceli concert they had a big canvas screen behind them that blew about a lot inthe wind but which had a star symbol on it - don't know whether this was intended to be a Marxist symbol or a reference to the PKK flag, but it was pretty extreme thing to attempt on Turkish TV (and would have got you sent to prison a decade earlier), and the camera seemed to be careful to not ever show the entire symbol straight on (or maybe it was just bad camerawork - it was a local TV station, and they are all amateurish and think that tripods are inventions of the devil).

Look at the comments that another of their songs has generated (they would not please our former member Kurdman ): assorted Turks/Kurds/Zaza having an argument about whether Zaza are Kurds or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq3sc...eature=related

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Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

(or maybe it was just bad camerawork - it was a local TV station, and they are all amateurish and think that tripods are inventions of the devil).

Or they think that "real men" don't use tripods.

I remember a long time ago going to see the last night of an Armenia-related play in London. It was going to be videotaped for posterity, and the cameraman was to be a large hulk of an individual who went by the name "Dom". He arrived with a full-size shoulder-mounted camera (they were massive things in those days) and no tripod. "Are you going to hand-hold that for the full length of the play?" I asked him. Oh, yes - it's no problem for me!", he replies. By the end of an hour the footage was so shakey it was almost unwatchable (which, appropriately, matched the quality of the play: a disaster named "Beast on the Moon").

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

hi i think this song wonderfull.can you translate english?

gna ari man ari
chinenar chinenar (variant of chinar?)
chinenar (@ sahama?)
ari(?) seri(?) dun ari
Kurken jan, Papken jan
aliz gyaf shira hana(?)

Don't know this dialect, but it is most definitely fascinating! What dialect is this? Zaza?

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Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

gna ari man ari
chinenar chinenar (variant of chinar?)
chinenar (@ sahama?)
ari(?) seri(?) dun ari
Kurken jan, Papken jan
aliz gyaf shira hana(?)

Don't know this dialect, but it is most definitely fascinating! What dialect is this? Zaza?

Is not Zaza.

Presumed it was Ottoman-period Armenian.

The lyrics, written down using the Turkish alphabet (c = j, ç = ch, etc.), are here: https://eksisozluk.com/cin-elar--2255268 But, like most song lyrics written by just listening to the song, it is probably not 100% accurate.

kına ari man ari, çin elar çin elar
çin elarıs tamama, harıt kıdi dun are
kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşı yaman a

intzi hamar lusnak yes
merpipari tzerpipari cıhkerı, cıhkerı
madanu ankin ag yes
intzi varetz horomsimi, kayaneyi, şoğagati
cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri

ay dığa volor molor, çin elar çin elar, çin elarıs tamama,
konimen kosim polor
kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşı yaman a
gabel yes kirman kodin

merpipari tzerpipari cıhkeri, cıhkeri
intz ces tohum kez modig
intzi varetz horomsimi, kayaneyi, şoğagati
cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri

mi pahir serıs tu yes, çin elar çin elar, çin elarıs tamama
araçın serıs tu yes
kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşı yaman a
aherp arı yerp kıdar
merpipari tzerpipari cıhkeri, cıhkeri
kılhin lihşen ajva vah
intzi varetz horomsimi, kayaneyi, şoğagati
cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri

yes modaj yem kocari, çin elar çin elar, çin elarıs tamama
tu nişane modani
kurkencan, papkencan, halıs yahşı yaman a

mert zerıt ku can ahcig
merpipari tzerpipari cıhkeri, cıhkeri
imlalu vay can ahcig
intzi varetz horomsimi, kayaneyi, şoğagati
cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

Hmmm. I wonder what dialect it is. The posters didn't seem to know. .

With some minor adjustments:

kına ari man ari,
clear! --

çin elar çin elar
Not so clear-- chin?

çin elarıs tamama,
now, somewhat clear

harıt kıdi dun are
Clear! "you father knows, come home!"

Kurken jan, Papken jan,
halıs yahşı yaman a

Let me run this by Arpa at that "other place".

intzi hamar lusnak yes
Clear as a bell.

mer pipari tzer pipari cıhkerı, cıhkerı
Except for "chikeri", perhaps "effort, struggle, attempts"?

madanu ankin ag yes
clear!

intzi varetz Horomsimi, Kayaneyi, Shoğagati
cami ceri cıhkeri, cıhkeri

Yup. Let me pass this by Arpa.

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

In any case, this trend in Turkey of exploring their ethnic folklore and not excluding the Armenian folk content is a truly positive one. Hrant Dink's impact seems to be showing.

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Re: Armenian song from Group Munzur.Dersim

Let me run this by Arpa at that "other place".

And at that other place is it also forbidden to mention this place?

And yes, anonim = anonymous.

A question should also be where did Grup Munzur get the lyrics from?

Unlikely to be from a native speaker so it maybe would be from an old song book perhaps, or an old recording.