2015

[londontsi]

Re: 2015

To me the purpose of the movement wasn't that any country or parliament accepted the events as genocide; it was for the general world population to gain awareness, and for the academic and historical texts to reflect the truth. This has been achieved, beyond that, what more is there to do? The events ended on a satisfying high note, with global consensus and sympathy. Dragging on the events that are now widely known and acknowledged risks creating fatigue in the collective minds of the global population .

This is a loosing strategy.

Time erodes memory of the facts.
It becomes easy victim of counter propaganda.

If the people are are told to get on with it I can assure you in 5 – 10 years nobody would bother.
Even a movement will start with the view that we will be healthier people if we do not teach our kids the facts.

I could go on .....

I think it would be smart to move forward, and instead of protests and expensive marches, have solemn memorial of the victims, and dedicate the day, and the month to investing in, and advancing Armenia. If we are indeed serious about undoing the wrongs done by the Genocide, of returning to Armenia the land, wealth, and pride that it was robbed of, we need to strengthen the Armenian nation, so it can one day retake what was taken when the opportunity presents itself.

This is a different issue and a valid one.
However they are not exclusive to to the issues above.

One of the reasons why the diaspora care and is keen to help Armenia is because of our history.
It is one ( not only ) of the hallmarks of our history and heritage.
Anything that undermines this within or from outside should be resisted vigorously.

[londontsi]

Re: 2015

Although I agree with much that's said in above post , I think there is much unsaid that needs saying .
(1) the Armenian people ---are victims ---. Both the victims of murder and torture (and) their offspring .
(2) the millions of dollars being spent *** every year *** by the purpetratrators and their cohorts to deny , minimalize , obfuscate , and rewrite history is an extension and continuization of the genocide and the precursor Hamidan and Adana massacres .
The people who suffered the initial massacres and genocide that survived these events had no choice but to continue .
We of today have no choice either. Yes , we need to strengthen Hayastan but we cannot let the criminals or their lieing offspring who partake in the genocide via denying and marginalizing and fraudulently *** condoning *** the genocide to go unrecognized for what they are . Niether can we tolerate the world community to accept this propaganda so they (world community ) can move on with their personal motivations .
The turcs teach lies in their schools . The world at large doesn't really care .
That is not acceptable and needs to be addressed at every occurrence . Nothing less is acceptable .
Don't care if the world is burnt out on hearing the truth .
We keep aiming till we get a skull shot , otherwise , we keep shooting .

Agree 100%

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[Artashes]

Re: 2015

To me the purpose of the movement wasn't that any country or parliament accepted the events as genocide; it was for the general world population to gain awareness, and for the academic and historical texts to reflect the truth. This has been achieved, beyond that, what more is there to do? The events ended on a satisfying high note, with global consensus and sympathy. Dragging on the events that are now widely known and acknowledged risks creating fatigue in the collective minds of the global population

I think it would be smart to move forward, and instead of protests and expensive marches, have solemn memorial of the victims, and dedicate the day, and the month to investing in, and advancing Armenia. If we are indeed serious about undoing the wrongs done by the Genocide, of returning to Armenia the land, wealth, and pride that it was robbed of, we need to strengthen the Armenian nation, so it can one day retake what was taken when the opportunity presents itself.

Although I agree with much that's said in above post , I think there is much unsaid that needs saying .
(1) the Armenian people ---are victims ---. Both the victims of murder and torture (and) their offspring .
(2) the millions of dollars being spent *** every year *** by the purpetratrators and their cohorts to deny , minimalize , obfuscate , and rewrite history is an extension and continuization of the genocide and the precursor Hamidan and Adana massacres .
The people who suffered the initial massacres and genocide that survived these events had no choice but to continue .
We of today have no choice either. Yes , we need to strengthen Hayastan but we cannot let the criminals or their lieing offspring who partake in the genocide via denying and marginalizing and fraudulently *** condoning *** the genocide to go unrecognized for what they are . Niether can we tolerate the world community to accept this propaganda so they (world community ) can move on with their personal motivations .
The turcs teach lies in their schools . The world at large doesn't really care .
That is not acceptable and needs to be addressed at every occurrence . Nothing less is acceptable .
Don't care if the world is burnt out on hearing the truth .
We keep aiming till we get a skull shot , otherwise , we keep shooting .

[Shant03]

Re: 2015

I can't argue with that! Well said.

[Mher]

Re: 2015

Why stop when we have gained momentum? In general I agree with you but I don't think we should just completely stop and get over it, but we do need to focus on the positives of our culture.

To me the purpose of the movement wasn't that any country or parliament accepted the events as genocide; it was for the general world population to gain awareness, and for the academic and historical texts to reflect the truth. This has been achieved, beyond that, what more is there to do? The events ended on a satisfying high note, with global consensus and sympathy. Dragging on the events that are now widely known and acknowledged risks creating fatigue in the collective minds of the global population

I think it would be smart to move forward, and instead of protests and expensive marches, have solemn memorial of the victims, and dedicate the day, and the month to investing in, and advancing Armenia. If we are indeed serious about undoing the wrongs done by the Genocide, of returning to Armenia the land, wealth, and pride that it was robbed of, we need to strengthen the Armenian nation, so it can one day retake what was taken when the opportunity presents itself.

[Shant03]

Re: 2015

Agreed. In my opinion the Armenian Genocide recognition movement was necessary and has been a success. Just 20 years ago only 2 countries recognized the Armenian Genocide. Today that number is up to 25. But more important the word Genocide is used in books and articles, there is global awareness that did not exist before, and the matter is no longer up to debate.

So its time to collectively move on, put our funding and energy into advancing Armenia, and get past this victim mentality, and remind our new generation that is much more to Armenian culture and history than victimhood

Why stop when we have gained momentum? In general I agree with you but I don't think we should just completely stop and get over it, but we do need to focus on the positives of our culture.

[Mher]

Re: 2015

We just don't know how to make good movies......never mind Hollywood will not help or ever show an AG film.

We should forget about the Genocide and make movies about our heroes.

Agreed. In my opinion the Armenian Genocide recognition movement was necessary and has been a success. Just 20 years ago only 2 countries recognized the Armenian Genocide. Today that number is up to 25. But more important the word Genocide is used in books and articles, there is global awareness that did not exist before, and the matter is no longer up to debate.

So its time to collectively move on, put our funding and energy into advancing Armenia, and get past this victim mentality, and remind our new generation that is much more to Armenian culture and history than victimhood

[Eddo211]

Re: 2015

We just don't know how to make good movies......never mind Hollywood will not help or ever show an AG film.

We should forget about the Genocide and make movies about our heroes.

[MrHyeSev]

Re: 2015

Yes, shant I agree Ararat wasn't great

[Shant03]

Re: 2015

I have yet to see a decent genocide related film. Years ago I watched Ararat, and now this 1915 looks just as weird.