Castrated Armenian carpets!

[Eddo211]

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Armenian refugee orphans wove this rug, pictured, in 1920 and gave it as a gift to President Calvin Coolidge in 1925 to thank Americans for their humanitarian support following World War I. (Courtesy of Asbarez / October 31, 2013)

http://www.glendalenewspress.com/news/tn-gnp-me-armenian-orphan-rug-to-go-display-at-white-house-20140430,0,395109.story

[Haykakan]

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RUG MADE BY ARMENIAN ORPHANS TO GO ON DISPLAY AT WHITE HOUSE

Glendale News Press, CA
April 30 2014

April 30, 2014 | 9:07 a.m.

The White House has agreed to exhibit a rug made by Armenian orphans
in the near future, likely this fall, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Burbank)
said on Wednesday.

The rug, which was woven by orphans of the Armenian Genocide in 1920,
was presented to President Calvin Coolidge in 1925 as a symbol of
gratitude for American aid and generosity for U.S. assistance during
the genocide.

Measuring 11 feet, 7 inches by 18 feet, 5 inches, the Armenian Orphan
rug has more than 4,000,000 hand-tied knots and took the Armenian
girls in the Ghazir Orphanage of the Near East Relief Society 10
months to weave.

At the time, President Coolidge noted that, "The rug has a place of
honor in the White House where it will be a daily symbol of goodwill
on earth."

The rug - which has been in storage at the White House for decades -
was supposed to be released for exhibition in a Smithsonian event
for the launch of Hagop Martin Deranian's new book "President Calvin
Coolidge and the Armenian Orphan Rug."

Unfortunately, the rug was not able to be displayed at that time.

"Since first raising this issue with the administration, I have worked
diligently with the White House to find a way for the Ghazir rug to be
sensitively and appropriately displayed," said Schiff in a statement.

"Today, I'm pleased to be able to say that planning is underway
for the Armenian Orphan Rug to be displayed as early as this fall,"
he added. "I have worked out with the White House that the display
will take place in a venue that is open to the general public, and
I appreciate their willingness to place this significant artifact on
display for all to see."

Schiff and Rep. David Valadao (R-CA) sent a letter, along with 31
other Congressional members, to President Obama last year urging the
administration to allow exhibition of the rug.

"The Armenian Orphan Rug is a piece of American history and it belongs
to the American people," the letter stated. "For over a decade,
Armenian-American organizations have sought the public display of
the rug and have requested the White House and the State Department
grant their request on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, Armenian
Americans have yet to have their requests granted.We urge you to
release this American treasure for exhibition."

-- Mark Kellam, [email protected]

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[bell-the-cat]

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...and has anyone actuallty seen a picture of this carpet. I have - it is an enormous carpet - it would cover the floor of a banqueting hall (almost). How on earth could anyone seriously have asked for the display of such a large and difficult to show item to be seen for a mere afternoon. What, if any, plans had been proposed for its proper and safe display? It isn't just something you can just stick up on a wall for an afternoon. You don't just ask for such an object, expect to get a yes answer, and them make the plans to display it after you get the "yes". Or expect those who will give the yes to also arrange for the display and pay for it all as well. Did the request to get the carpet contain a detailed explanation about how it was going to be displayed? If it did not, then a "no" answer was the only one that any responsible curator of the White Houses' artifacts could have given.

[hagopn]

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As much as it is difficult to say, Bell-the-cat is correct about the lack of diplomatic tact and skill. This sort of criticism is by no means the first, and it is worth repeating. We truly have non-professional lobbyists, and we do lack professional leadership. The brighter people (and there are dim bulbs there), as there are a number in Washington who are quite active, need to be given incentive to join these organizations, a topic in itself.

Yet, the explanation given by the White House is weak and suspicious due to the timing, which I agree on as well. As far as "alienation of White house staff", I don't see how possible it is to alienate a group that is "alienated" by default! Yet, who knows what a competent lobby could accomplish? I suppose we will find out when it happens. There are many good prospects, particularly in the ANCA WR, very smart people. I have hopes---

[Artashes]

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So, first you falsely accuse me of editing a post I made to turn it into something that did not even slightly resemble its former content (when actually all I did was edit it to add a couple of commas and correct a spelling mistake). And you accompany that false accusation with one of your typical lowest rung on the pyramid insults.
Now you admit you simply confused two posts from two completely different threads - but add yet another of your lowest rung on the pyramid insults.
Do you actually want people to take you seriously?

I actually want people to know & understand the truth.
One needs do nothing more than examine our posts to know who dwells at the lowest rung p-ussy.

[bell-the-cat]

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Yes I do think I got two posts confused, your correct on that.
I also have much distrust for a number of diaspora organizations.
However the simple lending of a rug that was written about was not the big deal the USA makes it out to be. The logistics of leading the rug is too easy. The signal it would have sent is priceless.
The agitating, negative, insulting, foul & most often worthless commentary by you give me to think your on the turk or us, Zion dole.
Still think your pathetic & truly worthless.
Artashes

So, first you falsely accuse me of editing a post I made to turn it into something that did not even slightly resemble its former content (when actually all I did was edit it to add a couple of commas and correct a spelling mistake). And you accompany that false accusation with one of your typical lowest rung on the pyramid insults.
Now you admit you simply confused two posts from two completely different threads - but add yet another of your lowest rung on the pyramid insults.
Do you actually want people to take you seriously?


Back to the actual topic. The White House explanation puts this whole fake controversy in the correct light. It was all just an invention by some Armenian activists with too much time and money on their hands and a desparation to prove they have a purpose.
Nowhere in that Armenian propaganda was it mentioned that the supposed "exhibition" was just going to be just a limited, less-than-half-a-day display of the item during a talk to promote a book. It's becoming clear that all we really have here is an author throwing a fake tantrum to get some self-publicity. While it would have been nice to have the rug, a talk about the subject of a book does not really require the actual display of the object discussed in the book - so why did he cancel his talk? Then that publicity-seeking act is taken up by ANCA and AAA to make their typical ham-fisted propaganda. That propaganda, with its arrogant rudeness, has turned the rug into a political object and alienated everyone in the White House - thus probably destroying any hope of the rug ever being used in a proper legitimate exhibition about the Genocide.

[Artashes]

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Are you are a crazy, paranoid, delusional fantasist? Or just a barefaced liar? Nothing has changed. I suppose your delusions (if they are that rather than lies) extend to thinking I can access the forums server and remove or change postings?

Though, one thing HAS changed. I wrote that each of the two explanations was equally possible: that the White House explanation was made up after the decision was made, or that some Armenians have been attempting to make a controversy out of nothing. Thanks to Artashes' timely reminder of how things are, I now believe the latter is more likely. I doubt that anyone who knows what organisations like the Armenian Assembly of America have got up to in the past will disagree with that (AAA never misses an opportunity to make propaganda - but it is always ineffectual propaganda).

Yes I do think I got two posts confused, your correct on that.
I also have much distrust for a number of diaspora organizations.
However the simple lending of a rug that was written about was not the big deal the USA makes it out to be. The logistics of leading the rug is too easy. The signal it would have sent is priceless.
The agitating, negative, insulting, foul & most often worthless commentary by you give me to think your on the turk or us, Zion dole.
Still think your pathetic & truly worthless.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

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Apparently bell has changed the last comment he posted completely.
When I attempted to reply, once again nothing appeared and I was force to rewrite everything.
And now when I go to reply to bells standard shallow negative & worthless comment, the entire comment is completely changed. Ain't that slick.
Your analogy is not the same as addressing the points I made. Your comment that was replaced by your self serving analogy clearly fell into the lowest two rungs of the pyriamid, but the miraculously disappeared .
Still think you are both fraudulent & pathetic.
Artashes

Are you are a crazy, paranoid, delusional fantasist? Or just a barefaced liar? Nothing has changed. I suppose your delusions (if they are that rather than lies) extend to thinking I can access the forums server and remove or change postings?

Though, one thing HAS changed. I wrote that each of the two explanations was equally possible: that the White House explanation was made up after the decision was made, or that some Armenians have been attempting to make a controversy out of nothing. Thanks to Artashes' timely reminder of how things are, I now believe the latter is more likely. I doubt that anyone who knows what organisations like the Armenian Assembly of America have got up to in the past will disagree with that (AAA never misses an opportunity to make propaganda - but it is always ineffectual propaganda).

[Artashes]

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--- some Armenian organizations wanted to make a commotion over NOTHING ---
A man writes a book about a rug that is of great historicle significance & asks the white house who is in possession of rug if he might utilize "the people's property". I think it's safe to say the mans intentions can be taken at face value & have nothing to do with him wanting to start a commotion .
Although the book holds the potential for making the author some money, the point that the book makes is why people would read such a book.
As has been pointed out by many (MANY) renowned & respected scholars, the lack of recognition of a genocide & the denial of a genocide paves the way for future genocide. Also the denial of genocide is in fact a continuation of the genocide.
The white house response was just another example of USA brown nosing.
To have honored the request would have sent a clear message that NEEDS be sent. And the cost and trouble would have been dirt cheap. Compare that to the amount of money & effort the turk spends & uses to BLATANTLY lie.
Yet more worthless commentary from bell the Armenian basher.
What a pathetic life (existence).

Apparently bell has changed the last comment he posted completely.
When I attempted to reply, once again nothing appeared and I was force to rewrite everything.
And now when I go to reply to bells standard shallow negative & worthless comment, the entire comment is completely changed. Ain't that slick.
Your analogy is not the same as addressing the points I made. Your comment that was replaced by your self serving analogy clearly fell into the lowest two rungs of the pyriamid, but the miraculously disappeared .
Still think you are both fraudulent & pathetic.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

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Some unknown writer writes a book about the Declaration of Independence and expects the US government to provide him with the original of said signed document for use as a backdrop to a little lunchtime talk he is giving to promote his book. And then throws a tantrum when this request is refused. Meanwhile, Artashes accuse the US of being a fascist totalitarian state intent on denying its past respect for liberty for refusing to provide the document to the writer since the writer and his readers are some of the we the people it was written for.