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  • #21
    Candle Box? Quensryche? STP?? Winger??? That's fine if you like them and all, certainly not going to argue with your right to do so. But for the love of music, don't call them legends!!

    Anyways, moving on.....

    Originally posted by dusken
    That is also my opinion. I am slowly selling off a great deal of the new music in my collection (by "new" I mean the 90's). Some of the bands I am getting rid of used to be favorites. Tool is a good example; I used to be far more impressed with that band than I am.
    I'm the direct opposite with Tool. I've liked them more and more with each album as the construction of the music has become more and more complex. I can't wait for the next one to come out (which they're working on now). Danny (possibly the greatest drummer of all time) said that this may be his favorite because of the direction the drumming is going to go. Something about being influenced by what they heard from Meshugga. I'm not a fan of Meshugga's music over all, but we'll see how this goes. I wrote an annalysis of why I like Tool even more now, but it was rather lengthy, and didn't have a place in this thread, so I'm making a separate one for it.

    As for Crimson, in spite of popular belief, I didn't name myself after them (sorry, I just got up. Lame jokes are to be expected). I have to admitt, I hadn't heard of them until I discovered they were opening for Tool a few years back. Did some heavy looking into of their music. I just couldn't get into their style what-so-ever. Not saying they're not talented, just not my style.

    I used to be a HUGE Guns N' Roses fan. Had all their demo tapes, live performances, etc. This was before the big Napster era, so getting things like that was MUCH, MUCH harder, and anyone with such material was considered a god. That's another band that I felt got better when people thought they got worse. Estranged is possibly their best orchestrated song, except for possibly Coma. I've heard a lot of their newer material which, if they ever release it, isn't half bad. Beats what's being put out there now.

    I agree that most modern music is just simpleton, meaningless, non artistic CRAP! The music world revolves around image projection and "something to bob your head to" tunes. I just don't see music that requires thought or art coming back into the spotlight. The masses are too far gone into the "don't make me think, I want everything easy" mentallity, so I'm afraid that quality music may permanently be burried (at least, as far as mainstream music goes).

    With that, here is my current list of favorite artists (not necessarily legends):

    Tool (d'uh!)
    Kyuss (another band that Tool turned me onto, which I like some of)
    Rush (definitely has an early Tool-like sound)
    Jethro Tull (just plain beautiful music)
    Pink Floyd (have gotten a LOT more into them in recent years)
    Alice in Chains (at least, their earlier stuff)
    Metallica (the REALLY older stuff)
    Radiohead (one of the few newer bands I can somewhat get into)
    A Perfect Circle (well...this last album was a MAJOR disappointment)
    Tori Amos (heh heh...heh heh... )
    Sarah McLachlan (ok, SHUT UP!)


    Ummm...yeah. So there you have it. Let the tearing apart begin!

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    • #22
      Good music stays good. It even gets better by the years. It is like an old painting.
      Just look at Pink Floyd, they stand the stamp of time. There are still people who discover it and pass it on to the younger generations.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Crimson Glow
        I'm the direct opposite with Tool. I've liked them more and more with each album as the construction of the music has become more and more complex. I can't wait for the next one to come out (which they're working on now). Danny (possibly the greatest drummer of all time) said that this may be his favorite because of the direction the drumming is going to go. Something about being influenced by what they heard from Meshugga. I'm not a fan of Meshugga's music over all, but we'll see how this goes. I wrote an annalysis of why I like Tool even more now, but it was rather lengthy, and didn't have a place in this thread, so I'm making a separate one for it.
        The music becoming more complex is something I thought they was happening a while back when I was one of Tool's biggest fans. I can see it for what it is now. It is not more complex; it just has more production going into it with additions of more polyrhythms and odd meter. But the music itself is very simplistic and, though it took a while, it has officially bored me.

        As for Danny Carrey and his drumming abilities, this is me (a drummer) providing you with an incomplete list of drummers that are as good or better than Danny Carrey:

        Alex Acuña
        Tommy Aldridge
        Steve Alexander
        Tim Alexander
        Rashied Ali
        Don Alias
        Carl Allen
        Robby Ameen
        Scott Amendola
        Mike D'Angelo
        Charly Antolini
        Carmine Appice
        Vinnie Appice
        Kenny Aronoff
        Mick Avory
        Ginger Baker
        Jeff Ballard
        Paul Barbarin
        Joey Baron
        Julio Barreto
        Ray Barretto
        Ray Bauduc
        Eddie Bayers
        Marcus Baylor
        Carter Beauford
        Poogie Bell
        Louis Bellson
        Brian Bennett
        Han Bennink
        Ignacio Berroa
        Denzil Best
        Curt Bisquera
        Gregg Bissonette
        Cindy Blackman
        Ed Blackwell
        John Blackwell
        Brian Blade
        Hal Blaine
        J.D. Blair
        Art Blakey
        Jason Bonham
        John Bonham
        Terry xxxzio
        Tom Brechtlein
        Don Brewer
        Mark Brzezicki
        Gerry Brown
        Bill Bruford
        William Calhoun
        Matt Cameron
        Clayton Cameron
        Danny Carey
        Keith Carlock
        Bun E. Carlos
        Terri Lyne Carrington
        Lenny Castro
        Deen Castronovo
        Big Sid Catlett
        André Ceccarelli
        Matt Chamberlain
        Jimmy Chamberlin
        Dennis Chambers
        Joe Chambers
        Ndugu Chancler
        Jim Chapin
        Gary Chester
        Dave DiCenso
        Kenny Clare
        Mike Clark
        Kenny Clarke
        Jimmy Cobb
        Bill Cobham
        Vinnie Colaiuta
        Cozy Cole
        Phil Collins
        Bobby Colomby
        Aaron Comess
        Luis Conte
        Ray Cooper
        Stewart Copeland
        Paulinho Da Costa
        Kirk Covington
        Adam Cruz
        Mickey Curry
        Andrew Cyrille
        Paulinho Da Costa
        Zach Danziger
        Troy Davis
        Alan Dawson
        Barrett Deems
        Jimmy DeGrasso
        Adam Deitch
        Jack DeJohnette
        Kenwood Dennard
        John Densmore
        Liberty De Vitto
        Dave DiCenso
        Warren "Baby" Dodds
        Virgil Donati
        Famadou Don Moye
        Bernie Dresel
        Martin Drew
        Billy Drummond
        Aynsley Dunbar
        Sly Dunbar
        Phil Ehart
        Paul Elliott
        Sonny Emory
        Joe English
        Peter Erskine
        Dom Famularo
        Pierre Favre
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        Steve Ferrone
        Anton Fier
        Anton Fig
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        Jon Fishman
        Mick Fleetwood
        D.J. Fontana
        Al Foster
        Vernel Fournier
        Panama Francis
        Steve Gadd
        Camille Gainer
        David Garibaldi
        Leonard "Doc" Gibbs
        Evelyn Glennie
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        Jim Gordon
        Danny Gottlieb
        Lou Grassi
        Jimmy DeGrasso
        Eric Kamau Gravatt
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        Trilok Gurtu
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        Zakir Hussein
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        Jonathan Joseph
        Eric Kalb
        Manu Katché
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        Will Kennedy
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        Joe La Barbera
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        Harvey Mason
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        Nicko McBrain
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        Shawn Pelton
        Karl Perazzo
        Ben Perowsky
        Doane Perry
        Charli Persip
        Ralph Peterson
        Simon Phillips
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        Walfredo Reyes, Jr.
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        Herlin Riley
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        Mickey Roker
        Daniel Sadownick
        Antonio Sanchez
        Poncho Sanchez
        Mongo Santamaria
        Peter Schmidlin
        Denny Seiwell
        Paco Séry
        Ed Shaughnessy
        Michael Shrieve
        Pete LaRoca Sims
        Zutty Singleton
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        Marvin "Smitty“ Smith
        Ed Soph
        John "Jabo“ Starks
        Ronnie Stephenson
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        Clyde Stubblefield
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        Ahmir Thompson
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        Paul Wertico
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        Alan White
        Lenny White
        Ron Wikso
        Tony Williams
        Matt Wilson
        Kenny Wollesen
        Sam Woodyard
        Pete York
        Mark Zonder
        Zoro

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        • #24
          Originally posted by varo
          Good music stays good. It even gets better by the years. It is like an old painting.
          Just look at Pink Floyd, they stand the stamp of time. There are still people who discover it and pass it on to the younger generations.
          That's because good music doesn't "sound" like the music of that particular era. It has a sound that transcends time. I dare say Rush and Floyd could fit into todays music world just fine, because it doesn't "sound like 70's music", it has a unique style and sound to it, so it can fit into any era.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by dusken
            The music becoming more complex is something I thought they was happening a while back when I was one of Tool's biggest fans. I can see it for what it is now. It is not more complex; it just has more production going into it with additions of more polyrhythms and odd meter. But the music itself is very simplistic and, though it took a while, it has officially bored me.

            As for Danny Carrey and his drumming abilities, this is me (a drummer) providing you with an incomplete list of drummers that are as good or better than Danny Carrey:
            Well, I'll agree there is a lot more production, but I'm talking about the way the songs take even longer to develope now, and those "odd meters" have increased and expanded to completely different directions. If anything, I am bored with the early stuff, like Opiate and Undertow, now. Ænema on up, I can listen to all day. They lost some of their earlier fans with Lateralus due to it "not being hard" like the previous album, but I find what they did even better. There music was never necessarily about being hard/metal, but letting the song run its course and take them where it may. Though I don't play Lateralus as much recently (it never left my car CD player for the first 2 years), I still play it VERY frequently. I can still discover things I didn't notice before if I listen carefully, years after release.

            As for Danny, I didn't say he WAS the best, just one of. I'll admit I don't know the majority of the poeple you listed, but....(looks over length of list)....do you really give Danney that little credit?

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            • #26
              pink floyd- for sure - my fave
              zeppelin
              metallica
              tool
              smashing pumpkins- the old stuff
              eagles
              red hot chilli peppers- early 90's stuff
              AC/DC
              Alice cooper
              Bd Religion
              REM
              The DOORs
              the cure
              duran duran

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Crimson Glow
                ...As for Danny, I didn't say he WAS the best, just one of. I'll admit I don't know the majority of the poeple you listed, but....(looks over length of list)....do you really give Danney that little credit?
                He is a great drummer but I gave him less and less credit the more experienced I got with respect to music.

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                • #28
                  how come Bad Religion isn't in there?

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                  • #29
                    o bad religion rules!

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by dusken
                      He is a great drummer but I gave him less and less credit the more experienced I got with respect to music.
                      Damn, Dusken....Damn!

                      Going over your...."growing out of Tool" posts, I almost sense an animosity, if you will. Like something about them has upset you. Do you need to.....talk?

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