Tarkan...

[ardenik]

I think it's engenoches. Other than that, it looks ok...to me anyway...

"gnoches" is what u would say if u were talking about ur wife. maybe thats why u got the "r" & "n" mixed. ex: ayt ore vor gnoches dzanotatsa..." so thats "the day i met my wife"

[Crimson Glow]

"gnoches" is what u would say if u were talking about ur wife. maybe thats why u got the "r" & "n" mixed. ex: ayt ore vor gnoches dzanotatsa..." so thats "the day i met my wife"

Ahhhh! "Im gnoches" always sounded like one word to me. Thus why I confused it with "Engeroches". Thanks for the clarification.

[sad_eyes]

I should have placed the "n" in....Oops....

[Azgaser]

Sad Eyes

It's one thing to like Tarkan, but do you have to post a picture of his eye?

[ardenik]

It's one thing to like Tarkan, but do you have to post a picture of his eye?

r u serious?
do u really think that's tarkan's eye?

[Azgaser]

r u serious?
do u really think that's tarkan's eye?

I don't know, I'm not an expert on his eyes, but yeah, it looks like it.

[Traci]

i'd like to repeat myself and maybe add more. that music makes me go to the bathroom.

tarkan is a homo. him and joseph krikorian should hook up.

To like or not to like Tarkan

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Would someone mind telling me what all the fuss is about? Whether he's gay or not, the man is gorgeous (even my husband thinks so, and he's definitely straight) he's talented. Quit being so jealous, and he didn't get booted out of Turkey because of his sexual orientation, it was supposedly because a kiss in one of his videos was rated 'pornography'. And it's amazing how, after he donated a sizeable chunk of money following a weather disaster in Turkey, his citizenship was automatically restored. I suggest you Turk-haters and homophobes get your facts in order instead of just running off at the mouth and making it clear to everyone who reads this just how bigoted and ignorant you really are. If you really don't like him, just don't listen to his music ..... if you think you can do better.........show us.

[TomServo]

Is Tarkan still sucking?

[Midyan Le]

Re: Tarkan...

Fellow Armenians,

You might live your entire life surrounded by Armenians, keeping your Armenian vs. odar friends ratio above 80% throughout your life & never REALLY talk to a Turk (about anything other than the Genocide & silly historical "i'm right, u're wrong"isms) in which case you would be depriving yourself of literally an entire world of wonders & beauties, but you will be naively happy.

And will eternally love hating Turks.

Proud to be Armenian, you will manifest that pride among other Armenians in such conversations as this: "hayere katch en!" "ayo!" "hayere hbard en!" "ayo!!" "hayere amena lavern en!!" "AYO!!!" oh my, how enlightening...

But if you decide to treat yourself by expanding & multi-culturalizing your surroundings, you will realize that there are many beautiful things in the world which are not necessarily Aarmenian (dont panic if you feel scared, its normal at first!!) it will shock you at first to discover that most Turks DONT wear turbans & they are indeed capable of creating beauty, as much as they were once-upon-a-time capable of creating total destruction. And that they have effectively influenced European culture for 600 hundred years. Stay PROUD to be armenian, but manifest that pride of heritage among people who might be enlightened to learn about our beautiful culture.

However for the latter statement to turn out to be true, we must first get over our unconditional hatred for all that is Turkish & distinguish historical & political issues (nonetheless important on a global scale) from unfounded personal grudges.

Why are most stories about the Armenian Genocide easily dissmisable? Because they are so one-sided. I've heard many times my grandfather cursing the fact that they couldn't commercialise our "holocaust" to have a powerful lobby in America (his words not mine).

I am not naive. But while the feelings of our grandparents maybe validated, there need to instill blind hatred in us rather than a sense of justice and to seek the truth (whatever that may be) I think has harmed us more than helped us. We have created our own ghettos. We live and fester in our own ghettos of hate. never moving on and progressing.

In the current state of things, I would be more inclined to say that Turks are not our number one enemy, we are our own number one enemy. Nobody has done more to hold the Armenian race back from advancing in every field than Armenians & their stubbornness, jealousy & obsession with leadership (to the point that we have more leaders than followers) when one organization takes on an Armenian-related project, not only does another organization refuse to join in & help make it a more pan-Armenian project, but they actually do everything within their power & more to make sure that it turns out to be a horrible failure.

In Turkey from the smallest to the greatest circles Greeks, xxxs and Armenians have been able to thrive withoyt having to hide their origin - singers like Rober Hatemo, Neco even to teh fact that an Armenian won a recent Big Brother show (a reality contest) chosen and voted over Turkish contestants by the Turkish public. Whereas freedom of artistic expression has been killed by poltic moves in greece and Armenina. Many of my friends think it's in bad taste to listen to or appreciate Turkish music. I have to listen to it in secret (if I wished to) from my parents. My father would rather I do drugs.

So who here is going backwards and who is going forwards?

How are the modern Turkish community responsible for the genocide? In hating them and trying to show them off in a continous "Midnight Express" attitude - will help us how exactly?

I've seen so many sites (my brother has one) where they curse and swear using profanity about the Turks - racisim pure and simple. But I've yet to hear a racist slur from a Turk (is there any in the Turkish language?) or a site that calls for the killing of Kurds. I may be wrong - please email these sites if any can be found and I will amend this.

Have you ever even been to Turkey?? Have you ever really been among a group of Turks or even just hung out with one? The VAST majority of Turks dont hate Armenians. Except of course for those Armenians who harrass them & vandalize their property in retaliation for crimes they personally did not commit or condone in any way.

I work in with refugees. Do you know how many Kurdish refugees have come over from Turkey claiming torture and rape and then when they seek asylum and recieve citizenship of the country - many have turned around to me and claimed that it was all lies (They know I am Armenian and so immediately assume I will say "well done" - every bit helps!) With their newly gained status they go back to Turkey every summer for the holidays. These are facts, too.

I used to think like the majority of my fellow Armenians and I was a capitive to my hatred.. I used to hate anything thats Turkish...until I grew out of it & realized there's more to life.. & theres more to Turks than barbaric murderous behaviour, & then I went to Turkey. I saw it with my own eyes. If some random guy in the street sees a kid who looks lost, they will most likely be concerned for him/her & will help find the parents or whatnot... which is more than we can say about Americans, now isnt it? Family values still exist in Turkey - and though we may not want to admit it - culturally and physically we are more closer to them than we wish to believe.

This movie was shown in Turkey. No one received death threats. It got TV play and was reviewed.

I dont judge, especially not "suddenly". I never called anybody "stupid". But you should really explore their people & culture before you dismiss them as ugly, mean, barbaric killing machines.

As for music, art & whatnot.. they are not meant to be bound by the barriers that society is bound by. dismissing art based on the nationality of its creator is ridiculous.. according to this mode of thought, all xxxs must hate Beethoven, Bach, & all the other German masters. Do u see now how absurd that is?? Shouldn't all xxxs now hate modern Germans?

There was no way in hell u could have changed my mind a couple of years ago & here I am now, a different person & I'm much happier this way. It's hard to be happy when you are full of hatred. It really really really is.......


Gayro Mafyan

[TomServo]

Re: Tarkan...

So do you like Tarkan or not?