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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
The last paragraph is key. The Azeris are scared.
The last paragraph is key. The Azeris are scared.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
This is so f'ucked up. I knew there was something wrong with Condi the Genocide Denier but who knew it was this bad? Russia faces isolation? Because they're helping the Ossetians gain independence from the corrupt Georgian government? Why doesn't Medvedev/Putin say that US faces "isolation" if it doesn't recognize the 'territorial integrity' of Serbia (their fav phrase nowadays - as if borders are rigid as to not change throughout history)? Why doesn't America stick to the one war that it can't even win and NATO keep their nose out of Caucasia!
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The little paper tiger that couldn't: Condi the Genocide Denier says Russia faces isolation
The US secretary of state has warned Russia that it risks isolation abroad if does not observe a ceasefire with Georgia and withdraw its troops.
"We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia," she said.
Condoleezza Rice is to visit France for talks with President Nicolas Sarkozy, who currently chairs the EU, before visiting Georgia itself on Friday.
The US has begun delivering aid by air to the ex-Soviet republic.
Washington is showing unwavering support for Georgia in its conflict with Russia, a BBC correspondent notes.
Russian forces briefly moved out of the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia on Wednesday to destroy military hardware at an abandoned Georgian military base in the nearby town of Gori.
Thousands of Russian troops remain in South Ossetia since they drove out a Georgian force which tried to regain control of the de facto independent province in a surprise attack one week ago.
They are also deployed in force in Abkhazia, Georgia's other breakaway province, where separatists ejected Georgia's remaining troops this week.
'Isolation' for Russia
Dispatching Ms Rice to Europe, President George W Bush called on Moscow to withdraw its forces from Georgian territory.
"The [US] stands with the democratically elected government of Georgia, insists that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia be respected," he said at the White House on Wednesday, flanked by the secretary of state and Defence Secretary Robert Gates.
Ms Rice said Russia faced international "isolation" if it refused to respect the truce.
"We expect all Russian forces that entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country," he said.
There was, she said, a "very strong, growing sense that Russia is not behaving like the kind of international partner that it has said that it wants to be".
Ms Rice is to discuss with Mr Sarkozy the five-point peace plan he personally brokered with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili on lightning visits to Russia and Georgia on Tuesday.
A US military transport plane landed in Tbilisi airport on Wednesday evening, delivering what the US said was medical supplies, bedding and other items for internally displaced people.
The US special envoy to the region, Matthew Bryza, said the consignment was the first of many that would be arriving by sea and air.
The provision of US aid to Georgia follows a promise by President Bush that the US military would play a role in delivering emergency supplies to Georgia.
Kim Ghattas, the BBC's correspondent at the US state department, says that while Washington has been warning Russia of the consequences of its military action in Georgia, so far little has happened apart from the cancellation of a joint military exercise.
But the view from Washington is that Russia has more to lose from a deterioration in ties with the West.
US officials insist that Moscow does care if concrete moves are taken to isolate it on the international scene, our correspondent says.
'Civilised country'
The Georgian government says that 175 people, mainly civilians, were killed during the conflict with Russia and South Ossetian separatist forces.
Russia, which says that 74 of its troops were killed, reports that more than 2,000 people died in South Ossetia, the vast majority civilians allegedly killed in the Georgian attack.
While none of the casualty figures have been verified independently, the UN refugee agency estimates that some 100,000 people have been displaced by the fighting, both from South Ossetia and Georgia proper.
Russia says its forces dismantled and destroyed military hardware and ammunition at an undefended Georgian base near the town of Gori on Wednesday.
Russia's First Deputy Prime Minister, Sergei Ivanov, said attacks by Russian forces on Georgian military targets outside South Ossetia were legal and necessary.
He said Russia had to destroy Georgian artillery, and bomb military airfields, in order to protect its peacekeepers in South Ossetia.
Speaking to the BBC, he also said he was surprised at the international condemnation of Russia's response to the crisis:
"Any civilised country would act same way. I may remind you [that on] September 11 [2001], the reaction was similar. American citizens were killed. You know the reaction."
Meanwhile, Georgians fleeing Gori reported widespread shooting and looting by South Ossetian separatists.Last edited by yerazhishda; 08-13-2008, 08:44 PM.Comment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Yeah I really hate that buck toothed bi*ch!For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.htmlComment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Saakashvili forgets about his people in media fever
source: http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28963
Over the last few days Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili has thrown much of his effort into convincing the wider world that Georgia was the victim, not the instigator, of the military conflict in South Ossetia. But it seems the president has taken his eye off what's going on at home – a place where some of his own people now have nowhere to go.
On the international stage, Mikhail Saakashvili is still showing his face – flanked by Eastern European leaders, it's all image and bravado. The Georgian president says Russia is still the Soviet Union and he is its unwilling victim.
He's brought in a Belgium public relations firm to help build his image and keep foreign correspondents updated with e-mail alerts detailing the latest alleged Russian aggressions.
Refugee camps are the post war reality of Saakashvili policy. New refugees are bussed in by the hour.
Most people blame Saakashvili for starting the war but now when it's over he's nowhere around to help them rebuild their lives.
"Saakashvili is responsible. Who are we? Are we animals or people? I have no house because of him. My daughter's pregnant and I don't know where she is. I have nothing. Saakashvili is responsible for this. We're here because of him. And where are the georgian journalists to tell about this?" refugee Victoria Ivanadze said.
Both rich and poor have suffered from the outbreak of conflict in South Ossetia.
"Foreign investment has completely stopped. They say they'll come back, but it will be slow. It will take at least one year for us to build up to the level we were before the fighting. Our biggest problem is to bring back the trust of western partners – to convince them to trust the Georgian economy. I have nineteen factories and most of them are closed. I've lost millions of dollars," businessman Merab Kupunia said.
Meanwhile, all taxi drivers in Tbilisi says the same thing: “Saakashvili thinks too much about himself and not enough about his people”.Comment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Good articles.
So the authors of these three articles believe that the war between SO and georgia was planned from the get go by washington and the anglo-american/nato alliance. They further claim that this will be used to esculate tensions between nato and Russia. Do you guys think this is the case why or why not? And if so, what are the likely next "phases" of a nato-Russian confrontation?Last edited by Armanen; 08-14-2008, 01:43 AM.For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.htmlComment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
We have to be ready, indeed.Originally posted by Hye_Psycho
LTP & Co are actively brewing something in the hidden backyards, and it's definitely smells like trouble.
These traitors are what we should be really concerned about. While I think we are babysitting them way too much, on the other hand even the powerful patriots have to act within the law. In other words, as soon as LTP moves we have to strike.Comment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Originally posted by Armanen View PostGood articles.
So the authors of these three articles believe that the war between SO and georgia was planned from the get go by washington and the anglo-american/nato alliance. They further claim that this will be used to esculate tensions between nato and Russia. Do you guys think this is the case why or why not? And if so, what are the likely next "phases" of a nato-Russian confrontation?
I have actually thought about this too. Is is possible that the US knew what the outcome of this fight would be and they have coordinated plans to exploit the "unrest" to further their interests? In other words, did NATO create this tension in order to obtain an excuse to go after Russia? Who is really pulling the strings?
Also, this whole scenario is reminds me of of what happened during the Genocide...the Ottoman Empire was losing lands and because they did not want to lose anymore, so they slaughtered Armenians in order to neutralize the threat of losing land to what they saw as independent-minded/pro-Russian Armenians.
Could this scenario play out again against the Javakhk Armenian...i.e. Georgia loses Abkhazia and S. Ossetia, so no they'll take their revenge on the "independent-minded" Armenians of Javakhk?
...Armenian needs to be ready. Georgia already proved that they have the capacity for Genocide.Last edited by crusader1492; 08-14-2008, 03:56 AM.Comment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Originally posted by Crusader
I also see the similarities but I think there is one big differences from 1915 and 2008. First in 1915 there was no independent Armenia which could act to defend the interests of Armenians in the near abroad. At the very least Armenians from Armenia and even those from the Diaspora would come to the defense of Javakh's Armenians. Also, georgia has spent millions to try to portray itself has a shining beacon of democracy under attack by the the evil empire to the north, and not as many people as they would like are buying it. If they were to try to actually launch attacks on Armenians, not just cleanse us from Javakh as they have been doing, then they would have a lot harder time trying to sell their case even to the overly anti Russian "western" mainstream media.Last edited by Armanen; 08-14-2008, 04:15 AM.For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.htmlComment
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You're right that Armenia is in a much better position to defend its compatriots. However, I do not put too much stock in the wester media covering a future conflict in a fair way. In other words, they don't care about Armenians or Armenian suffering. Look how they portrayed the recent events. They made it look like the Georgians are the victims even after they slaughtered 2000 S.Ossetians and raized their capital.Originally posted by Armanen View PostComment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity
GORI, Georgia - Explosions were heard near Gori on Thursday as a Russian troop withdrawal from the strategic city seemed to collapse. A fragile cease-fire appeared even more shaky as Russia's foreign minister declared that the world "can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity."
The declaration from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov came simultaneously with the announcement that Russian President Dmitry Medvedev was meeting in the Kremlin with the leaders of Georgia's two separatist provinces.
"One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters.
There were at least five explosions near Gori. It could not immediately be determined if the blasts were a renewal of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces, but they sounded similar to mortar shells and occurred after a tense confrontation between Russian and Georgian troops on the edge of the city.
The strategically located city is 15 miles south of South Ossetia, the separatist region where Russian and Georgian forces fought a brutal five-day battle. Russian troops entered Gori on Wednesday, after the two sides signed the cease-fire that called for their forces to pull back to the positions they held before the fighting started.
Georgia early Thursday said the Russians were leaving the city, but later alleged they were bringing in additional troops. Georgian government officials who had gone into the city for the possible handover left unexpectedly around midday, followed by a checkpoint confrontation outside Gori which ended when Russian tanks sped toward the area and Georgian police quickly retreated.
A Russian general in Gori had said Wednesday it would take at least two days to leave the city. Lavrov said troops were evacuating Georgian weapons and ammunition from a military base in Gori.
In Washington, a Pentagon official said U.S. intelligence had assessed early Thursday that the number of Russians in Gori was small — about 100 to 200 troops.
Some Georgian police said irregular fighters from South Ossetia had refused to leave Gori, where a BBC reporter saw them looting and burning Wednesday night.
Two planned U.S. aid flights arrived in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi late Wednesday and Thursday, carrying cots, blankets and medicine for refugees displaced by the fighting. The shipment arrived on a C-17 military plane, an illustration of the close U.S.-Georgia military cooperation that has angered Russia.
Besides the hundreds killed since hostilities broke out, the United Nations estimates 100,000 Georgians have been uprooted; Russia says some 30,000 residents of South Ossetia fled into the neighboring Russian province of North Ossetia.
Gori was battered by sporadic Russian bombing before the cease-fire, with Russia saying it was targeting a military base near the city. The city, on Georgia's only significant east-west road, is only 60 miles west of Tbilisi.
The Russian troops' presence in Gori was viewed as a demonstration of the vulnerability of the capital.
Russian troops also appeared to be settling in elsewhere in Georgia.
The Georgian Foreign Ministry said Russian troops remained in Poti, a Black Sea port city with an oil terminal that is key to Georgia's fragile economic health.
An APTN crew in Poti saw one destroyed Georgian military boat, about 20 yards long, two Russian armored vehicles and two Russian transport trucks inside the port. They were blocked from moving closer by soldiers who identified themselves as Russian peacekeepers.
Earlier Thursday, on Poti's outskirts, the APTN crew followed a different convoy of Russian troops as they searched a forest for Georgian military equipment.
Another APTN camera crew saw Russian soldiers and military vehicles parked Thursday inside the Georgian government's elegant, heavily-gated residence in the western town of Zugdidi. Some of the soldiers wore blue peacekeeping helmets, others wore green camouflage helmets, all were heavily armed. The scene underlined how closely the soldiers Russia calls peacekeepers are allied with its military.
"The Russian troops are here. They are occupying," Ygor Gegenava, an elderly Zugdidi resident told the APTN crew. "We don't want them here. What we need is friendship and good relations with the Russian people."
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