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  • #51
    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

    It appears that Russia is now pouring troops, tanks and artillery into the region as well as making bombing runs well inside Georgia. They need to hit the Georgians ten-fold.

    The Georgians certainly took the offensive and made some initial gains but they'll no doubt be thrown back by a Russia counter-attack. The Georgians have made their point but now the Russians will make theirs. The US is too bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan to help Georgia and beyond scolding Russia, the Europeans will do nothing. It is all up to Russia at this point and entirely their choice.


    Russia must win in order to achieve the following:

    1. Show they are still the #1 power in the Caucasus region and call the shots.
    2. Make NATO and the US think twice about how they are going to approach Russia in the future; will NATO be encouraged by a Russian failure or will the back away from the Caucasus if the Russians are victorious.
    3. Demonstrate that they will not fail their allies in the region; Armenia, Abkhazia and Ossetia. They've already failed Adjaria.
    4. Regain their powerful image that the Chechnya conflict took away and re-build their military's battlefield morale.


    We all know that a Russian defeat {essentially a retreat from the Caucasus} will be doom for Armenia. The conflict will already hurt Armenian due to the fact that transit from Russia to Armenia via Georgia will no be closed for indefinitely.

    Once they Georgians start experiencing reversals on the battlefield, which they most certainly will, the Abkhazians should strike the Georgian held areas of Abkhazia a regain them.

    I'm not sure now is the time to do anything in Javakh {unless Georgian really gets thumped}. Though I know the Armenians in Javakh are armed, organized for the most part and very have very unfriendly relations with the Georgians, they need time to really organize.

    Looking at a map, if they Armenians in Javakh, and the Abkhaz strike Georgia and win, Georgia is screwed. The Armenians will then control the flow of Baku-Ceyhan and they could eventually push towards the Black Sea coast and link up with Abkhazia. This will permanently solve the blockade issue, force the Turks out of Georgia {they have an air force base there}, and put a stop to the oil flow unless it is on their terms.

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    • #52
      Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

      Originally posted by Hye_Psycho
      i think this is what russia wanted.. wait for georgia to get really aggressive, and then fly in.

      georgia are truelly xxxxed
      I agree. They have awoken a sleeping giant.

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      • #53
        Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

        Originally posted by RSNATION View Post
        It appears that Russia is now pouring troops, tanks and artillery into the region as well as making bombing runs well inside Georgia. They need to hit the Georgians ten-fold.

        The Georgians certainly took the offensive and made some initial gains but they'll no doubt be thrown back by a Russia counter-attack. The Georgians have made their point but now the Russians will make theirs. The US is too bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan to help Georgia and beyond scolding Russia, the Europeans will do nothing. It is all up to Russia at this point and entirely their choice.


        Russia must win in order to achieve the following:

        1. Show they are still the #1 power in the Caucasus region and call the shots.
        2. Make NATO and the US think twice about how they are going to approach Russia in the future; will NATO be encouraged by a Russian failure or will the back away from the Caucasus if the Russians are victorious.
        3. Demonstrate that they will not fail their allies in the region; Armenia, Abkhazia and Ossetia. They've already failed Adjaria.
        4. Regain their powerful image that the Chechnya conflict took away and re-build their military's battlefield morale.


        We all know that a Russian defeat {essentially a retreat from the Caucasus} will be doom for Armenia. The conflict will already hurt Armenian due to the fact that transit from Russia to Armenia via Georgia will no be closed for indefinitely.

        Once they Georgians start experiencing reversals on the battlefield, which they most certainly will, the Abkhazians should strike the Georgian held areas of Abkhazia a regain them.

        I'm not sure now is the time to do anything in Javakh {unless Georgian really gets thumped}. Though I know the Armenians in Javakh are armed, organized for the most part and very have very unfriendly relations with the Georgians, they need time to really organize.

        Looking at a map, if they Armenians in Javakh, and the Abkhaz strike Georgia and win, Georgia is screwed. The Armenians will then control the flow of Baku-Ceyhan and they could eventually push towards the Black Sea coast and link up with Abkhazia. This will permanently solve the blockade issue, force the Turks out of Georgia {they have an air force base there}, and put a stop to the oil flow unless it is on their terms.

        The pkk have already shown how easy it is to disrupt Baku-Ceyhan after blowing up a section of the pipeline this week.

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        • #54
          Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

          Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has promised to defend Russian citizens in South Ossetia.

          "I must protect the life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are," Interfax quoted him as saying. "We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished. Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment."
          YES! That's what I'm talking about.

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          • #55
            Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

            Originally posted by HayotzAmrotz View Post
            YES! That's what I'm talking about.
            The irony is all the more heightened with that quote because you know neither he nor his cronies give a s'hit about "Russian citizens". They just want a chance to 1) embarrass Georgia in front of the world stage and NATO and 2) re-establish Caucasian dominance.
            Last edited by yerazhishda; 08-08-2008, 05:30 AM.

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            • #56
              Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict



              EPIC FAIL

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              • #57
                Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
                I wonder why the American media has been ignoring this dire situation.

                Compare www.cnn.com to www.bbc.com. Among CNN's Latest news is "Lost Boy" to Carry Olympic Torch" and "Mega-preacher's wife sued". All the way at the bottom is a small mention of the Georgian disaster. I'm surprised at the prevalence of gossip over real news.
                I'm not suprised at all. The media's job is to keep the masses dumbed down.

                Anyway, I'm seeing now (a day late) that they are finnaly "covering" the conflict...albeit with a pro-Georgian spin. It's really pathetic.

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                • #58
                  Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                  Originally posted by Hye_Psycho
                  its pethetic, buts its just reward for the 'effort' georgia have put into relations with the west. but thats about all the benefits they are set to recieve.

                  edit: who else is excited aobut all this. this is huge in the context of not only our region but the world. we can only hope bloodshed is at a minimum
                  I'm very excited as well for the same reason. I am very excited to see what this means for the area and to see Georgia put in its' place. Hopefully, civilian casualities will be kept to a minimum as this is not their war but a war of personalities (mainly Saakashvili trying to act like the big boy in town). I have a Georgian-Armenian friend who lives/works in the US and I hope that his family is safe.

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                  • #59
                    Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                    Guys, let’s not get too excited yet. We don’t know implications of this yet. Unless Georgia downfalls, I don’t see any benefit for us. It looks like SO will be retaken, however Georgia is already calling on America to protect the country against “Russian aggression”. Does any body sees possibility of NATO “peace keeping forces” stationing in Georgia.

                    Some sources say that Russian warplanes took off from Armenia to bomb Marnauli airport.

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                    • #60
                      Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

                      Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
                      The irony is all the more heightened with that quote because you know neither he nor his cronies give a s'hit about "Russian citizens". They just want a chance to 1) embarrass Georgia in front of the world stage and NATO and 2) re-establish Caucasian dominance.
                      Wrong.

                      As someone who had extensive dealings with Russians on diplomatic level I can assure you that Russian State does care about all of it's citizens when they are in trouble overseas. There are many examples when Russia has gone to great lengths for their countrymen, and South Ossetians and Abkhazians, who are genuinely Russian citizens by the book of the law, are no exceptions.

                      Russia did not wanted this war at all. At this stage Russia was quite happy with the de-facto independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and most impotantly with the stability in the region. Georgia was the one that wanted the war. They wanted it in order to satisfy the most important criteria for NATO membership - the internal stability. Georgians envisiged a quick win over SO followed by a bloodless solution for Abkhazia through negotiations which they hoped to start immediately after an embarassing defeat of SO. The next round of NATO talks are in December and that date is Saakashvili's deadline to fix both issues. However, if Russia decides to FUK them then by December Georgia as a country may not even exist!

                      Russia does not need to "re-establish Caucasian dominance". Russia has, have and always will rule supreme in Caucasus because Russia is part of Caucasus. US, NATO and Turkey will never be allowed to set foot in that region, they don't belong there whatsoever, not even Turks with their couple of turkchi ethnic groups living in Caucasus can lay a claim.

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