Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

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L’économie de l’Arménie a perdu 680 millions de dollars

mercredi17 septembre 2008, par Stéphane/armenews

Suite à la confrontation entre la Géorgie et la Russie, l’économie de l’Arménie a perdu 680 million de dollars, a déclaré Brad Sheriman, membre de la Chambre des représentants des Etats-Unis, indique 168 Jam soulignant le silence total des autorités arméniennes à ce sujet.

Ambassade de France en Arménie

From http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?id_article=44768

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In a nutshell, a US member of the house of representatives says Armenia lost 680 million dollars thanks to the Georgian-Russian conflict.

[RSNATION]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7623240.stm

Georgia and Ukraine 'shouldn't join Nato'

By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website


Russian armour in South Ossetia: who started the war?

In a potentially significant swing of expert Western opinion, a leading British think tank has urged that Nato membership should not be granted to Georgia or Ukraine.

"The policy of Nato enlargement now would be a strategic error," said Dr John Chipman, Director General of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).
"There is no case for accelerating membership for Georgia and Ukraine. There is a strong case for a pause," he said in remarks introducing the IISS's annual review of world affairs, the Strategic Survey.
Current Nato policy, decided at a summit meeting in Bucharest in April, is that both countries should become members eventually but no timetable has been set.
Who started the war?
The IISS intervention shows that following the war in Georgia, a debate is growing about whether a confrontational approach to Russia is the best one.

The IISS is critical of Georgia's actions during the conflict
The IISS is highly critical of Georgian actions - in contrast to the support Georgia has received from the US and some European countries, notably Britain. Naturally, if Georgia is faulted, then less blame can be put on Russia, whatever its reaction or, as some hold, its over-reaction.
Dr Chipman said that the "balance of evidence suggests that Georgia started this war".
Georgia has claimed that Russian forces had already started to enter South Ossetia by the time it acted. Russia has said that it responded to a Georgian attack.
Pressure seems to be growing for an international inquiry into the actual sequence of events.
The IISS position will undermine sympathy for Georgia and its leader President Mikhail Saakashvili.
Its analysis is that Georgia ignored American warnings not to go into South Ossetia and is therefore an unreliable partner at present.
'No give and take'
But the importance of the intervention goes beyond that, as it calls for a calmer approach to relations with Russia.
"There have been major errors of presentation of policy towards Russia. The US and Nato have in the past told Russia to accept whatever was happening. There was no give and take. We are disappointed at the way some Western leaders pushed the Cold War button after Georgia," said Dr Chipman. "We should not over-inflate the crisis."
He added: "The events of August 2008 do not signify fresh steps towards a new Cold War, because neither side wants one and the stakes are too low to warrant one."
Role for EU
Another IISS expert, Oksana Antonenko, reflected the IISS view that with a decline in US influence, the EU should be more active in formulating policy initiatives - but it lacked the means to do so.
She said it was good timing that France - a major, influential country -held EU presidency during the Georgia crisis.
"It highlighted the fact that EU institutions are highly incapable ones," she said.
"We urgently need a mechanism to stop the presidency from fluctuating between different member states."

We are disappointed at the way some Western leaders pushed the Cold War button after Georgia
John Chipman, IISS
The Lisbon Treaty does provide for a permanent presidency and a strengthened foreign policy representative, but it has not been ratified.
The IISS report came on a day when Nato defence ministers were meeting in London. There is some feeling in Nato that its priority should be to do more to reassure its existing members, especially those close to Russia, rather than rushing to bring in new members. And that is a view supported in the IISS report.
A great deal will depend on the views of the next American president. The Bush administration is all for pushing on with membership for Ukraine and Georgia, and the issue will be taken up again at Nato meetings in December.
A British official predicted that there would be no slowing of support for Georgia and no disposition to reward Russia.
But no quick decisions are likely in the current uncertain state of affairs.

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[Armanen]

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It seems as if the fuc*ers in washington are hell bent on a world war.


U.S. planning to deploy 5000 troops in georgia

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The U.S. is planning to deploy some 5000 troops in Georgia. For the purpose, Georgia can sign a military-political agreement like the one Russia concluded with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, KavkazCenter reports.

U.S. navy bases will be deployed in the ports of Batumi and Poti while air forces will be deployed near Gori and Marneuli. The details of the agreement will be discussed during Saakashvili’s the impending visit to the United States.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=27113

[RSNATION]

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It seems as if the fuc*ers in washington are hell bent on a world war.


U.S. planning to deploy 5000 troops in georgia

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The U.S. is planning to deploy some 5000 troops in Georgia. For the purpose, Georgia can sign a military-political agreement like the one Russia concluded with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, KavkazCenter reports.

U.S. navy bases will be deployed in the ports of Batumi and Poti while air forces will be deployed near Gori and Marneuli. The details of the agreement will be discussed during Saakashvili’s the impending visit to the United States.


http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=27113

We'll see. These seems more like Georgian posturing and bluster than anything else.

[Illuminator]

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That will never be acceptable to Russia.

[Federate]

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Georgian police officer shot dead near rebel region

TBILISI (Reuters) - A Georgian police officer was shot dead and two others were wounded on Sunday near the de facto border with breakaway Abkhazia, the third such incident since the Georgia-Russia war in August.

The Georgian Interior Ministry blamed Abkhaz separatists, who it said had opened fire from within Abkhazia.

The officer was the third to be killed in shootings near Georgia's two breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia since Russian forces drove the Georgian army from South Ossetia in a five-day war in August.

A similar incident near the boundary with Abkhazia on Sept 13 prompted Georgia to replace border guards with elite police units.

The self-styled government of Abkhazia denied any involvement in the September 13 killing. There was no immediate reaction to Sunday's accusation.

Russian forces still hold positions along 'security zones' adjacent to South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They are due to pull back by October 10, within 10 days of the announced deployment of 200 European Union observers.

Earlier this month, a Georgian police officer was shot dead near a Russian checkpoint at the entrance to the South Ossetia buffer zone. Georgia blamed Russian forces but Moscow denied involvement.

Both Abkhazia and South Ossetia threw off Georgian rule in wars in the early 1990s. Russia recognized them as independent states after last month's war and said it would station around 7,600 soldiers in both regions.

From http://www.reuters.com/article/world...37432620080921

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South Ossetia's independence day parade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAH-WBXoPCQ

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Armenia links issue of Abkhazia, S. Ossetia to N.-Karabakh


MINSK. Sept 19 (Interfax) - Armenia will not recognize the
independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia before Nagorno-Karabakh's
independence receives international recognition as "recognition of the
independence of other states without the recognition of the independence
of Nagorno-Karabakh is nonsense," an Armenian diplomat said on Friday.
Armenia itself has not recognized the independence of Nagorno-
Karabakh, an Armenian-speaking enclave in Azerbaijan, though there have
been "political, legal, moral, ethical, ethnic and other reasons for
this," Oleg Yesayan, Armenian ambassador to Belarus, told a news
conference in Minsk.
"The independence of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh was declared
on October 2, 1991, in full conformity to the then constitution of the
USSR and international law. Then a general referendum was held and
supreme bodies of state authority were elected - a parliament and
government. On January 6, 1992, - more than 16 years ago - the state
independence of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh was proclaimed. Both
then and now Armenia had and has all necessary reasons to recognize the
independence of Nagorno-Karabakh," Yesayan said.
However, there began an international legal process of settlement
of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, and this is why Armenia has still not
recognized the enclave's independence, he said.
"It is for the same reason that Armenia has not recognized the
independence of Kosovo," the ambassador said.


Source: http://www.interfax.com/3/429577/news.aspx

[KarotheGreat]

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I applaud to this and I'm very proud of what Hayastan is doing, and once standing up for it self.

[Federate]

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108 GEORGIANS AND 9 OSSETIANS RECEIVE RIGHT TO LIVE IN ARMENIA

In the aftermath of Georgian-Ossetian conflict 108 Georgians and 9 Ossetians have applied to the Republic of Armenia to get a right to be defended by our country and to live here. Currently they are under the defense of Armenia and they’ll receive a right to live in the country, said Gagik Eganyan, the head of migration department of the Ministry of Urban Development in a press conference today.

“We though the number of people who want to live in Armenia would be higher but, fortunately, the military activities were stopped and many of them stayed in their countries,” said Mr. Eganyan.

According to him in those days many wanted to be transferred under the defense of Armenia but after the military activities were stopped they returned to their countries.

From http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2008/10/01/migracia1/