Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

[Armanen]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Armenian, what is the difference between Christ and Jesus? Are they not the same?

[Armenian]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Armenian, what is the difference between Christ and Jesus? Are they not the same?

The answer to your question is found in this thread: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=10028

[yerazhishda]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Well, in a sense its very 'Evangelical Christian' since they believe that Jews are God's chosen people and only through a global catastrophe will Jesus return to earth.

This is a great article which further illustrates your great observation. It uses a new term for me that pretty much sums up this Evangelical obsession with Israel and the xxxs: 'philo-Semitism'.

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Among Evangelicals, A Kinship With xxxs
Some Skeptical of Growing Phenomenon

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 8, 2006; A01


The Rev. Lamarr Mooneyham's church has raised funds for Israeli causes.

DANVILLE, Va. -- Everyone who worships at the Tabernacle quickly learns three facts about its deeply conservative pastor. He comes from a broken home. He rides a canary-yellow Harley. And he loves the xxxs.

There is some murmuring about the motorcycle. But the 2,500 members of this Bible-believing, tradition-respecting Southern Baptist church in southern Virginia have embraced everything else about the Rev. Lamarr Mooneyham.

Out of his painful childhood experiences, Mooneyham, 57, preaches passionately about the importance of home. Out of his reading of the Bible, he preaches with equal passion about God's continuing devotion to the xxxish people.

"I feel jealous sometimes. This term that keeps coming up in the Old Book -- the Chosen, the Chosen," says the minister, who has made three trips to Israel and named his sons Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. "I'm a pardoned gentile, but I'm not one of the Chosen People. They're the apple of his eye."

Scholars of religion call this worldview "philo-Semitism," the opposite of anti-Semitism. It is a burgeoning phenomenon in evangelical Christian churches across the country, a hot topic in xxxish historical studies and a wellspring of support for Israel.

Yet many xxxs are nervous about evangelicals' intentions. In recent weeks, leaders of three of the nation's largest xxxish groups -- the Anti-Defamation League, the American xxxish Committee and the Union for Reform Judaism -- have decried what they see as a mounting threat to the separation of church and state from evangelicals emboldened by the belief that they have an ally in the White House and an opportunity to shift the Supreme Court.

"Make no mistake: We are facing an emerging Christian right leadership that intends to 'Christianize' all aspects of American life, from the halls of government to the libraries, to the movies, to recording studios, to the playing fields and locker rooms . . . from the military to SpongeBob SquarePants," the ADL's national director, Abraham H. Foxman, said in a Nov. 3 speech.

Julie Galambush, a former American Baptist minister who converted to Judaism 11 years ago, has seen both sides of the divide. She said many xxxs suspect that evangelicals' support for Israel is rooted in a belief that the return of xxxs to the promised land will trigger the Second Coming of Jesus, the battle of Armageddon and mass conversion.

"That hope is felt and expressed by Christians as a kind, benevolent hope," said Galambush, author of "The Reluctant Parting," a new book on the xxxish roots of Christianity. "But believing that someday xxxs will stop being xxxs and become Christians is still a form of hoping that someday there will be no more xxxs."

The result is a paradox -- warming evangelical attitudes toward xxxs at a time of rising xxxish concern about evangelicals -- that could be a turning point in the uneasy alliance between xxxish and Christian groups that ardently back Israel but disagree on much else.

The Rev. Donald E. Wildmon, chairman of the evangelical American Family Association, warned in a Dec. 5 radio broadcast that Foxman was "in a bind" because the "strongest supporters Israel has are members of the religious right -- the people he's fighting."

"The more he says that 'you people are destroying this country,' you know, some people are going to begin to get fed up with this and say, 'Well, all right then. If that's the way you feel, then we just won't support Israel anymore,' " Wildmon said.

Philo-Semitism is far from universal among the 60 million to 90 million U.S. adults who identify themselves as born-again or evangelical Christians. But it has strong roots, not only in the Hebrew scriptures shared by both faiths but also in the belief that today's xxxs and Christians have common antagonists, such as secularism, consumerism and militant Islam.

In his sermons, Mooneyham returns again and again to God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 12: "I will bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you."

It is a theme echoed in many conversations at the Tabernacle, a plain red-brick church in a community that has seen one factory after another close, yet where the congregation made a Christmas offering of $25,000 to help pay for the immigration of Russian xxxs to Israel.

"I believe everyone in this church felt it was the best thing we've ever done with missionary money, to help the xxxish people go home," said Dorothy Pawlowski, 72, who tithes to the church.

And it is a message being passed to the next generation. On Thursday nights, J.J. Vogltanz, a deacon, uses a Christian textbook to lead his three home-schooled children in science experiments designed to illustrate Bible verses. One of the first things he taught them about Jesus, he said, was that "he was a xxx."

Asked whether he also taught his children that the xxxs rejected Jesus, Vogltanz, 34, paused. "I'm not sure it's constructive to assign blame," he said.

Mark A. Noll, a professor of Christian thought at Wheaton College, a center of evangelical scholarship in Illinois, said evangelicals are beginning to move away from supersessionism -- the centuries-old belief that with the coming of Jesus, God ended his covenant with the xxxs and transferred it to the Christian church.

Since the 1960s, the Roman Catholic Church and some Protestant denominations have renounced supersessionism and stressed their belief that the covenant between God and the xxxish people remains in effect.

Evangelicals generally have not taken that step, but "among what you might call the evangelical intelligentsia, questions of supersessionism have come onto the table," Noll said. "It's in play among evangelicals in the way that it was in mainline Protestantism and Catholicism -- but wasn't among evangelicals -- 30 or 40 years ago."

At Fuller Theological Seminary, an evangelical training ground in Pasadena, Calif., President Richard J. Mouw hosted a kosher breakfast for 20 rabbis a week before Christmas. "More and more, we're inviting xxxs as guest lecturers," Mouw said. "We're looking at rabbinic literature and how we can better understand the Bible through rabbinic eyes. That's a real push for us."

Jacques Berlinerblau, a visiting professor of xxxish civilization at Georgetown University, said the rise of philo-Semitism in the United States has led xxxish scholars to look back at previous periods of philo-Semitism, such as in Amsterdam in the mid-17th century. He said revisionists are increasingly challenging the standard "lachrymose version" of xxxish history, questioning whether persecution has been the norm and tolerance the exception, or vice versa.

Still, some xxxs think that philo-Semitism is just the flip side of anti-Semitism.

"Both are Semitisms: That is, both install the xxxs at the center of history. One regards this centrality positively, the other regards it negatively. But both are forms of obsession about the xxxs," said Leon Wieseltier, a xxxish scholar and literary editor of the New Republic.

The Southern Baptist Convention, to which the Tabernacle belongs, passed a resolution in 1867 calling on its members to convert xxxs and renewed that call as recently as 1996. Its former president, Bailey Smith, declared in 1980 that "God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a xxx," and it currently supports about 15 congregations of messianic xxxs, who are popularly associated with the organization xxxs for Jesus.

So Mooneyham has a ready answer for xxxs who doubt his motives: "I think they have a right to be suspicious of just about everybody, given the history."

He also has a personal story. The pivotal moment of Mooneyham's childhood came at age 7 when his parents, in the middle of a divorce, took him and his three sisters to a church parking lot in Burlington, N.C., and parceled them out to relatives for a few weeks. Those few weeks turned into years. The family never came together again.

Nearly 45 years later, the pastor was watching television before a Sunday morning church service when he came upon an infomercial by Rabbi Yechiel Z. Eckstein, founder of a group called the International Fellowship of Christians and xxxs. Eckstein was standing in Israel with an elderly woman from Russia who said she was finally home.

"She started crying, he started crying, and I started crying," Mooneyham said. "Then I said, 'Lord, help me, because I'm really going to throw my congregation a curveball today. We're going to help xxxs -- we're not going to witness to them, we're just going to help them. Because I know what home means.' "

Since that day five years ago, according to Eckstein, the Tabernacle has sent more than $175,000 to the fellowship, which has a donor base of 400,000 Christians and has contributed more than $100 million to Israeli causes.

"I can only say that what we've done should speak for itself, because we've given and we've asked nothing in return," Mooneyham said. "And that's the way it will stay."

source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010701267.html

[Armanen]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

The answer to your question is found in this thread: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=10028

Ok I got what you mean now. I use the terms as one and don't differentiate, as the name is not important, but the substance. Of course the bs being taught about the development of Christianity, what some might call the traditional version of events is mostly a modern phenomenon along with the rise in the usage of the term judeo-Christian. You will notice how they don't put islam into this, obviously cause they want to show the joos as on the same side in some Christian vs Muslim conflict, i.e. Arab-israeli conflict so we side with them and it doesn't hurt to have a bunch of confused pseudo-Christians donating money.


I hope you keep adding to that thread, there is a number of sections you could post there from ArmenianHighland.com which would support the thread well.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Are there really this many jews in Congress?

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Congress quiet on xxxish New Year

WASHINGTON (AP) — A day after the House defeat of a financial bailout plan that sent Wall Street into a frantic downward spiral, the Capitol was largely deserted Tuesday as Congress marked the xxxish New Year, Rosh Hashana.

Congressional leaders were still actively talking, trying to develop an alternate plan that Congress will approve. But the House was in recess both Tuesday and Wednesday, and the Senate will have no votes until after sundown Wednesday, the end of the holiday according to Orthodox and Conservative synagogues. The holiday started Monday evening.

Taking off on Rosh Hashana and, a week later, the xxxish day of atonement, Yom Kippur, is a fairly recent practice.

source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...t1aSAD93H90KG4

[Anoush]

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Yes Yerajishd, though people could correct me here; but a while back I heard that J'ews in congress consist of approx. 65% or more. That's how they have a lot of say in this country and that is how they lead.

[Armanen]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Are there really this many jews in Congress?

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Congress quiet on xxxish New Year

WASHINGTON (AP) — A day after the House defeat of a financial bailout plan that sent Wall Street into a frantic downward spiral, the Capitol was largely deserted Tuesday as Congress marked the xxxish New Year, Rosh Hashana.

Congressional leaders were still actively talking, trying to develop an alternate plan that Congress will approve. But the House was in recess both Tuesday and Wednesday, and the Senate will have no votes until after sundown Wednesday, the end of the holiday according to Orthodox and Conservative synagogues. The holiday started Monday evening.

Taking off on Rosh Hashana and, a week later, the xxxish day of atonement, Yom Kippur, is a fairly recent practice.

source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...t1aSAD93H90KG4

Yeah wtf. If you're a joo then by all means take off the day, although if you really care about america then work, but what the hell are all the other non joo members doing especially at this time?

Truly the united slaves of israel.

[Anoush]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Truly the united slaves of israel.

[meline]

Re: Palin on Israel...AKA The Black and White World of Sarah Palin

Wasn't really sure in which thread this article fits....
Still I find it informative and related to this discussion

WHY IS THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT CONCERNED?

Yesterday, the US State Department published its annual report on the “International Religious Freedom”


Of course, it was possible to assume that the report would touch upon (and it really did) the total sects which are becoming overwhelmingly widespread all over the world, and its authors would take “Jehovah’s witnesses” and the adherent of many other religious sects under their wardship. Acting in support of the total sects, they would point out to manifestations of a “negative attitude” towards them in different countries and various other infringements and facts “violating” the rights of the people engaged in soul hunting.

“Restrictions on Religious Freedom” – such is the title of the section where, astonishing though it is, we discovered the names Levon and Lyudmila Ter-Petrosyans and, what’s even more, found out that this particular section of the report describing the situation with religious freedoms in Armenia was mostly devoted to the accusations allegedly published against the leader of the “orange” revolution.

This is what was revealed as a result of the studies of the US State Department, “In May and June 2008, the pro-government ‘Hayots Ashkharh’ and ‘Golos Armenii’ newspapers published anti-Semitist and anti-Masonic accusations against former president and currently opposition leader L. Ter-Petrosyan. Local observers viewed the inflammatory articles as attempts to portray the opposition leader as a traitor to the country and stir up anti-Semitist sentiment in a country traditionally known for its welcoming attitude towards xxxs.”

Let’s put aside the inaccurate translation. If we have published anti-Semitist and anti-Masonic accusations against LTP, then the cherished hero of the State Department report really turns out to be a Mason and a Semitist; we have just added the prefix “anti-” while labeling him as someone possessing the above-mentioned characters (which leads to the assumption that we have done a very good job). But this is among other things.

The series of “provocative” publications is not restricted to us. The authors of the report refer to one of the news broadcasts of “H1” TV Channel, pointing out that on February 27, 2008, H1’s news program presented the coverage of the post-presidential election opposition rally, “focusing primarily on an Israeli flag – one of the many nations’ flags in the crowd –with the intention of vilifying Ter-Petrosyan whose wife is xxxish”.

To begin with, let’s first of all touch upon the last falsification published in the section devoted to L. Ter-Petrosyan.

What the whole Armenian world saw on the Theatrical Square on February 27 was the swaying flag of Israel (in addition to a few worn-out tri-colored flags). Why do they speak about “many nations’ flags”?

Maybe, the representatives of the State Department who wrote a report based on the remarks of the “local observers”, i.e. the “grant-consuming” human rights defenders and political scientists of the Armenian Pan-National Movement who had revealed “inflammatory publications”, should have tried to make out everything on their own. The episodes were shown many a time; they could have watched them in the slow mode. And in that case, they would have focused on the Israeli flag because even if they had used a magnifying glass, they wouldn’t have seen the flag of any other country on the square.

But let’s put aside this issue too. What comes out? If LTP instructs his activists to bring the Israeli flag to the square and sway it with enthusiasm, and he himself dances enthusiastically in the frameworks of the “Song and Dance Festival” (naturally, becoming a laughing stock), and all that is shown on television, does it mean that the activist is being “vilified”? And how come that all this is “viewed” as an attempt of stirring up anti-Semitist sentiment in the country.

Such absurdities may only pass across the minds of the “local observers” and be immediately “recorded”, thus becoming the contents of the State Department report.

We treat the xxxs with respect, like the representatives of all the other nations. So there’s no need “to mix one’s private affairs with the state ones”. Hence, the advocates of colored revolutions had better distinguish Lyudmila Ter-Petrosyan from the whole xxxish nation. Being the bearer of her revolutionary husband’s ideology, she is no less enthusiastic about the plans of destabilizing our country and crowning the long-lasting and exhausting struggle of the liberators with victory.

And in one of our articles published in May, we spoke about this, noting that “Involving Lyudmila Ter-Petrosyan in the leadership of their infra-structures operating in Armenia, the xxxish and Masonic organizations of the United States, the Russian Federation and the Near East didn’t manage to maintain a permanent and reliable contact through her and provide assistance to Levon Ter-Petrosyan.”

Once we have already informed the reader that the principal goal of L. Ter-Petrosyan’s one-day visit to Moscow in mid-January 2008 was the meeting with xxxish Leonid Gozman, Vice Chair of the union of the right-wing forces of the Russian Federation. The confidential meeting that lasted 6-7 hours was naturally very effective. The sums flew into Armenia through different organizations and were invested in political processes prior to the campaign that was about to start.

And we wonder why the representatives of “Big East”, a powerful xxxish-Masonic organization that has unlimited financial and political resources, arrived in Yerevan in mid-January? What plans were they drawing up with Hovhannes Igityan, one of the closest people of LTP?

Well, don’t we have the right to ask that question? Especially considering the fact that the same Igityan fled from the country after the incidents of March 1 and reached Strasburg, and it is quite well-known what kind of lobbying activities this revolutionary figure carried out there in an effort to convince the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to apply sanctions against Armenia.

Don’t we have the right to ask LTP why the members of the xxxish-American committee are going to arrive in Armenia at the end of May? They also met with the revolutionary leader with the purpose of receiving a report on the activities accomplished.

Is it a secret that the idea of setting up an Armenian National Congress was proposed to L. Ter-Petrosyan by the same xxxish-Masonic circles?

Let alone the elucidations of the American and Russian media which presented the “liberation movement” in the best manner, being under the influence of the xxxish lobby.

That’s to say, if we are making attempts to find out the people who gave instructions to LTP, raise concerns about the alternatives imposed on us by the xxxish circles or bring Ter-Petrosyan to power, then … We are trying to stir up anti-Semitist sentiment, according to the State Department report. What brilliant logic!

KIMA YEGHIAZARYAN

http://www.armtown.com/news/en/has/20080924/291392797/

[Armanen]

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Russian media didn't really spin the march events in the favor of ltp. On the other hand it didn't spin it for the pro Sargsyan forces either.

All in all a good article, thanks for posting it!