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1st Presidential Debate

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  • #11
    Re: 1st Presidential Debate

    Oh yeah, McCain tried very hard to make Obama look bad; but Obama didn't look bad. Though Obama does'nt have as much experience in foreign affairs, but he's still savvy and will learn real quick. He is quick witted and he was much cooler and levelheaded than McCain. I thought Obama presented himself really well. They even talked about it later that Obama was like Kennedy and McCain was more like Nixon on their historical debate. Btw; Obama was against the Iraqi war from the getgo and he specified that if we didn't go into the Iraqi war; Afghanistan wouldn't have been left aside and today they are more powerful than ever thanks to the Iraqi war. He also said that America lost touch with the problems all around the world because he said that, we concentrated so much on the Iraqi war. Obama further said that the whole world including the people of the United States opposed the war; yet the Bush administration didn't listen to no one and went ahead and todate we lost not only 4 thousand young souls, but about 30 thousand injured soldiers and after the medical bills paid it will be 1 trillion dollars lost that we could have used it in the country for the US. Meanwhile McCain said that regardless, now that we are in war though he didn't oppose the war in Iraq from the beginning; but that we should still stay in it and come out of it as a winner he said, for the sake of the soldiers that gave their lives for it. I remember back then that George Bush said that US will be in the war for two to three weeks. So much for the two to three weeks.
    Last edited by Anoush; 09-28-2008, 05:04 PM.

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    • #12
      Re: 1st Presidential Debate

      McCain: "I saved Bosnians from ethnic cleansing. I saved Kosovars from genocide."

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      • #13
        Re: 1st Presidential Debate

        Mr. Genocide denier, er, preventer
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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        • #14
          Re: 1st Presidential Debate

          Originally posted by TomServo View Post
          McCain: "I saved Bosnians from ethnic cleansing. I saved Kosovars from genocide."
          He said that we must let the Kosovars have their independence...but in the next sentence Ossetians and Abkhazians don't have the right to self-determination. This makes sense to everyone else, right?

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          • #15
            Re: 1st Presidential Debate

            And where is our Artsax's independence????

            Bloody bastard politicians that are just like notorious low lives. They bloody make me sooooo mad.

            At least for now Obama says that he will make the Genocide bill to go through and he'll see that Artsax will be independent from the Azeri scums.
            Last edited by Anoush; 09-28-2008, 04:21 PM.

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            • #16
              Re: 1st Presidential Debate

              Originally posted by Anoush View Post
              And where is our Artsax's independence????

              Bloody bastard politicians that are just like notorious low lives. They bloody make me sooooo mad.

              At least for now Obama says that he will make the Genocide bill to go through and he'll see that Artsax will be independent from the Azeri scums.
              In my opinion, I'm glad they don't metion it. If they apply the same logic to Artsakh's situation as they do for the independence of S. Oseetia and Abkhazia...well you get the picture.

              It's better they don't get involved. Remember who controls them...they're not friends of Armenia.

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              • #17
                Re: 1st Presidential Debate

                Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                In my opinion, I'm glad they don't metion it. If they apply the same logic to Artsakh's situation as they do for the independence of S. Oseetia and Abkhazia...well you get the picture.

                It's better they don't get involved. Remember who controls them...they're not friends of Armenia.
                I don't understand why Sargsyan must have talks with two of our enemies.
                turkey and azerbaijan. Two against one. It's been 17 years now and neither Russia, the US or France who are in the minsk group haven't come up to accepting Artsax's independence.

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                • #18
                  Re: 1st Presidential Debate

                  Originally posted by Anoush
                  It's been 17 years now and neither Russia, the US or France who are in the minsk group haven't come up to accepting Artsax's independence.

                  And why would they when it suits their interests to maintain the status quo?
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • #19
                    Re: 1st Presidential Debate

                    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
                    I don't understand why Sargsyan must have talks with two of our enemies.
                    turkey and azerbaijan. Two against one. It's been 17 years now and neither Russia, the US or France who are in the minsk group haven't come up to accepting Artsax's independence.
                    Well, the silver lining in their rhetoric is that although they "support the terretorial integrity of Azerbaijan", they are not that vociferous about it (especially compared to the Georgian situation).
                    They will recognize Arstax after Azerbaijan runs out of oil...10 years?

                    In the meantime Armenia will keep "negotiating" with the Tartars.

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                    • #20
                      Re: 1st Presidential Debate

                      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                      And why would they when it suits their interests to maintain the status quo?
                      I know Armanen and that's exactly why I get frustrated. I know we came a long way and I suppose I shouldn't be complaining; but every now and then I get impatient... maybe it's the woman in me. I just wish things could move quicker for our sake and we'll have our lands legalised already. Crusader is right too, this moment is probably not the right one to bring the question about, but it's been a long while for our Artsaxian lands already and I am getting impatient.

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