Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Mexico, the next Iraq?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #11
    Re: Mexico, the next Iraq?

    Originally posted by Anonymouse
    But it remains that the Mexican cartels have every incentive to profit from this as the drug has to come along their byway, to the biggest drug consuming nation on the planet, America. That is why it isn't the Colombians or El Salvadorians or Guatemalans that are profiting from this in the form of cartels operating along the border - it is the Mexican gangs.

    All of this of course ignores the fact that America can stop this in one swift stroke by stopping this ridiculous "drug war" and just legalizing it, which will effectively take it off the black market.
    Good stuff, Mouse.
    Between childhood, boyhood,
    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
    should be sharp lines drawn w/
    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
    stories, songs & judgements

    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

    Comment


    • #12
      Re: Mexico, the next Iraq?

      Originally posted by Anonymouse
      The biggest sham is this stupid "War on Drugs" that is mostly led by America's never ending grip on these hypocritical "morals, morals morals."

      Why was there never a "drug problem" prior to the middle of the 20th century? Inquisitive minds want to know.
      Because there were fewer corrupt dishonest and hypocritical officers like Capt JJ Jones! "That's what I call irony"
      Last edited by Valerian2; 04-11-2009, 10:25 AM.

      Comment


      • #13
        Re: Mexico, the next Iraq?

        20 yrs. ago today.

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2202234/posts

        U.S. Attorneys Office abruptly halted prosecutions in 1993
        The Brownsville Herald ^ | March 7, 2009 - 6:54 PM | Emma Perez-Trevino

        Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25:51 PM by Paleo Conservative

        After the bodies of 13 victims who fell prey to a drug-trafficking group that practiced black magic were uncovered in 1989, the U.S. Attorney's Office secured warrants of arrest and indictments against the group's members led by Alfonso de Jesus Constanzo, but these were abruptly dismissed in 1993 without a stated reason.

        The U.S. Attorney's Office would offer no explanation.

        Beginning April 14, 1989 the group's members were charged with several counts of conspiring, possessing and importing 1,800 pounds of marijuana from Mexico into the United States from March 1, 1989 to April 11, 1989.

        April 11, 1989 is when the body of Mark J. Kilroy and 12 other victims were uncovered from the Rancho Santa Elena, about 20 miles west of Matamoros, Mexico.

        By the time the charges were dropped in federal court on June 10, 1993 at the request of the U.S. Attorney's Office, two of the suspects, Constanzo and Martin Quintana Rodriguez had long died. Six of the suspects, Sara Maria Aldrete Villarreal, Alvaro de Leon Valdez, Serafin Hernandez Garcia, Elio Hernandez Rivera, David Serna Valdez, and Sergio Martinez Salinas, also had long been arrested by police in Mexico, and are still serving sentences for Kilroy's murder and that of other victims.

        However, two of the suspects, Ovidio Hernandez Rivera and Malio Fabio "El Gato" Ponce Torres, were never arrested. They are still wanted in Mexico for Kilroy's murder, according to George Gavito, who is now police chief of the Brownsville Navigation District, but they are no longer wanted in the U.S.

        The U.S. Attorney's Office directed The Brownsville Herald to case files, but these don't reflect why the charges were dropped against all the suspects, including the still-at-large Hernandez Rivera and Ponce Torres.

        "I don't work for the federal government. I work for the state. That's really not a question for me to be able to answer," Gavito said.

        He does believe, however, that the charges were initially filed in the U.S. in case the suspects were located here, they could be held.

        None of the former assistant U.S. attorneys, who served in the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Texas in 1989 and into the early 1990s and whom the Herald contacted, recalled the case. All declined to discuss the Constanzo case.

        Gavito, who was a lieutenant with the Cameron County Sheriff's Department and joined in the search for Kilroy, believes that U.S., local, county, state and federal law enforcement dropped the ball after Kilroy's body was found.

        In retrospect, then Cameron County Sheriff Department Lt. George Gavito, who now is the police chief at the Brownsville Navigation District, said that he and other law enforcement officers from the county and federal agencies could have done more.

        "We could have put together a task force to follow this up, who knows, maybe we would have found other cults. There could have been a lot of information there, but I feel that we didn't do enough after the fact. I think we did everything we could up to the point that we found Mark, but I think afterwards, I think we all kind of dropped the ball," Gavito said.

        He said the investigations didn't proceed because of jealousy between departments. "You had federal agencies that were kind of putting the task force together and there was just jealousy between departments back then and they just couldn't work together," Gavito said.

        "I think we would have found out a lot more," Gavito said, emphasizing that the problems among law enforcement branches are long passed and that all today have a firm and cooperative relationship.

        Gavito said that they could have found out who Constanzo was, who taught him to include human sacrifices in his rituals and why he did it. Gavito added further investigation could have shown "who did he teach that we didn't even catch or we don't even know about?"

        "Remember we caught the people in Matamoros, but what about the people in Mexico City, the different groups that he might have had throughout the United States, throughout Mexico and Miami that might be doing the same thing or could have been doing the same thing?" he asked.

        Constanzo, a Cuban-American, was raised in Miami and also lived in Mexico City.

        But in the course of 20 years, apparently no one that Gavito knows pursued it, including himself. "I think a lot of people just wanted to forget it, put it behind them, a ‘it didn't happen type of thing,' and ‘let's just move on,' " Gavito speculated.
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

        Comment

        Working...
        X