(NWO) New World Order

[hrai]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

What part about medieval economics do you not understand? A capitalist system with small business as opposed to corporations existed for thousands of years quite well.

Actually, I think I understand medieval economics quite well, it's just that I don't want to live in a medieval society. Do you?Try for a week to deny yourself all modern technologies.......
Modern technologies need mass labour........end of.

Removing the government and corporations from the equation wouldn't cause society to collapse because moral groups would still exist along with the infrastructure and money.

So, these "moral" groups, let's call them "angels", what's their function? Similar to a police force (Spanish Inquisition). How is the infrastructure maintained? Who regulates, controls and supplies the money?
Oh, we're moving on from my understanding of medieval history.

People just freak out when anything with anarchy is mentioned....when anarcho-capitalism means rule through capitalism as opposed to rule through government.

Words that don't belong in the same sentence = anarchy/rule. chalk/cheese.
The current order of things is that Capital already rules the world, governments are effectively powerless. Are you niaive enough to think that international corporations have any loyalties other than to themselves and their profits?

Anyways it hasn't been tried yet but what I do know is the current capitalist, socialist, communist and democratic socialist systems have failed miserably much due to fact few care about the system that runs their world and most only care about how they can personally manipulate its flaws.

Half of the world has suffered from decades of social experimentation in the last 100 years.
Perhaps you should petition for your home city to be the guinea pig. Revert to basic "medieval" levels, be quarantined from the rest of the world totally for a period of say, 2 years. Let's then review the results.
Personally, I think within 6 weeks you'll be dreaming about your PC, TV, air travel, ipod and your campus coffee shop.

[KanadaHye]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

What part about medieval economics do you not understand? A capitalist system with small business as opposed to corporations existed for thousands of years quite well.

Removing the government and corporations from the equation wouldn't cause society to collapse because moral groups would still exist along with the infrastructure and money.

People just freak out when anything with anarchy is mentioned....when anarcho-capitalism means rule through capitalism as opposed to rule through government.

Anyways it hasn't been tried yet but what I do know is the current capitalist, socialist, communist and democratic socialist systems have failed miserably much due to fact few care about the system that runs their world and most only care about how they can personally manipulate its flaws.

Few even realize they are living in a structured system of hierarchy. American's were told to hate "commies" yet the majority of the population didn't even know what "commie" meant. How many people truly understand the underlying principles of Capitalism?

[hipeter924]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

hipeter, I take it that these versions you mention are just theoretical?
Various economic/political/social theories are excellent until people are put into the equation.
The bulk of these ideas on social reconstruction should stay, where they are now, on college campuses and surrounding coffee shops.

What part about medieval economics do you not understand? A capitalist system with small business as opposed to corporations existed for thousands of years quite well.

Removing the government and corporations from the equation wouldn't cause society to collapse because moral groups would still exist along with the infrastructure and money.

People just freak out when anything with anarchy is mentioned....when anarcho-capitalism means rule through capitalism as opposed to rule through government.

Anyways it hasn't been tried yet but what I do know is the current capitalist, socialist, communist and democratic socialist systems have failed miserably much due to fact few care about the system that runs their world and most only care about how they can personally manipulate its flaws.

[hrai]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

I've read Animal Farm, 1984 and Brave New World.... Communism fell for the same reasons Capitalism hiccups... greed and corruption. Might I add that with the advancement of technology and the possibility that you might be tracked via satellite and be taxed according to mileage traveled along with many other possible methods of privacy intrusion, the world isn't too far off from total robotic control. Big brother doesn't have to watch, machines will do the work for him.


Brave New World:
Although the novel is set in the future, it contains contemporary issues of the early 20th century. The Industrial Revolution had transformed the world. Mass production had made cars, telephones and radios relatively cheap and widely available throughout the developed world. The Russian Revolution of 1917 and the First World War (1914–1918) were resonating throughout the world. Many characters in the story are named after influential people of the time, for example, Benito Hoover and Bernard Marx.

Huxley was able to use the setting and characters from his science fiction novel to express widely held opinions, particularly the fear of losing individual identity in the fast-paced world of the future. An early trip to the United States gave Brave New World much of its character. Not only was Huxley outraged by the culture of youth, commercial cheeriness, sexual promiscuity and the inward-looking nature of many Americans;[4] he had also found a book by Henry Ford on the boat to America. There was a fear of Americanization in Europe, so to see America firsthand, as well as read the ideas and plans of one of its foremost citizens, spurred Huxley to write Brave New World with America in mind. The "feelies" are his response to the "talkie" motion pictures, and the sex-hormone chewing gum is parody of the ubiquitous chewing gum, which was something of a symbol of America at that time. In an article in the 4 May 1935 issue of the Illustrated London News, G. K. Chesterton explained that Huxley was revolting against the 'Age of Utopias'—a time, mostly before the First World War, inspired by what H. G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw were writing about socialism and a World State.

Great points, another novel with a similar theme is H G Wells' "Time Machine".

Basically, they make my point, Kanada, that, regardless of which system is operated, greed & corruption will erode the original principles, no matter how laudable.

[KanadaHye]

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Where are the successful Communist states?
Have you lived in one? I'd love to hear your point on these.

A good book to read would be "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.

I've read Animal Farm, 1984 and Brave New World.... Communism fell for the same reasons Capitalism hiccups... greed and corruption. Might I add that with the advancement of technology and the possibility that you might be tracked via satellite and be taxed according to mileage traveled along with many other possible methods of privacy intrusion, the world isn't too far off from total robotic control. Big brother doesn't have to watch, machines will do the work for him.


Brave New World:
Although the novel is set in the future, it contains contemporary issues of the early 20th century. The Industrial Revolution had transformed the world. Mass production had made cars, telephones and radios relatively cheap and widely available throughout the developed world. The Russian Revolution of 1917 and the First World War (1914–1918) were resonating throughout the world. Many characters in the story are named after influential people of the time, for example, Benito Hoover and Bernard Marx.

Huxley was able to use the setting and characters from his science fiction novel to express widely held opinions, particularly the fear of losing individual identity in the fast-paced world of the future. An early trip to the United States gave Brave New World much of its character. Not only was Huxley outraged by the culture of youth, commercial cheeriness, sexual promiscuity and the inward-looking nature of many Americans;[4] he had also found a book by Henry Ford on the boat to America. There was a fear of Americanization in Europe, so to see America firsthand, as well as read the ideas and plans of one of its foremost citizens, spurred Huxley to write Brave New World with America in mind. The "feelies" are his response to the "talkie" motion pictures, and the sex-hormone chewing gum is parody of the ubiquitous chewing gum, which was something of a symbol of America at that time. In an article in the 4 May 1935 issue of the Illustrated London News, G. K. Chesterton explained that Huxley was revolting against the 'Age of Utopias'—a time, mostly before the First World War, inspired by what H. G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw were writing about socialism and a World State.

[hrai]

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Who's to say what system is better or worse? There have been successful societies formed with Socialism, Communism, Capitalism and variations in between. They are merely different ways of distributing the land's natural resources FAIRLY to the people. However, with Capitalism, the wealthy remain wealthy without ever being in the same system as the slaves below them provided they aren't complete morons.

Where are the successful Communist states?
Have you lived in one? I'd love to hear your point on these.



A good book to read would be "Animal Farm" by George Orwell.

[KanadaHye]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

hipeter, I take it that these versions you mention are just theoretical?
Various economic/political/social theories are excellent until people are put into the equation.
The bulk of these ideas on social reconstruction should stay, where they are now, on college campuses and surrounding coffee shops.

Who's to say what system is better or worse? There have been successful societies formed with Socialism, Communism, Capitalism and variations in between. They are merely different ways of distributing the land's natural resources FAIRLY to the people. However, with Capitalism, the wealthy remain wealthy without ever being in the same system as the slaves below them provided they aren't complete morons.

[hrai]

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As for new economies/societies Anarcho-Capitalism is so much better, since some versions of it eliminate corporations and government, and form a society based upon free will.

hipeter, I take it that these versions you mention are just theoretical?
Various economic/political/social theories are excellent until people are put into the equation.
The bulk of these ideas on social reconstruction should stay, where they are now, on college campuses and surrounding coffee shops.

[hipeter924]

Re: (NWO) New World Order

As for new economies/societies Anarcho-Capitalism is so much better, since some versions of it eliminate corporations and government, and form a society based upon free will.

[ArmSurvival]

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Good post. The G-20 summit was rife with calls to establish a "New World Order".

Its interesting, the same statesmen who call it a conspiracy to believe that they are planning a New World Order, are the same ones who talk about it at every available opportunity. People need to wake up.