Turkish violations of Greek airspace

[Alexandros]

TURKISH VIOLATIONS

Harassment over the Aegean

Friday June 19, 2009

Turkish fighter jets flew low over the small island of Agathonisi early yesterday, violating Greek air space, Defense Ministry officials said. Earlier a Slovakian aircraft monitoring the eastern Aegean as part of a European Union crackdown on illegal immigration had been harassed by the Turkish F-16s. The Slovakian aircraft had been in international air space south of Samos when it was harassed, Greek officials said.

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[Eddo211]

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TURKISH VIOLATIONS

Harassment over the Aegean

Friday June 19, 2009

Turkish fighter jets flew low over the small island of Agathonisi early yesterday, violating Greek air space, Defense Ministry officials said. Earlier a Slovakian aircraft monitoring the eastern Aegean as part of a European Union crackdown on illegal immigration had been harassed by the Turkish F-16s. The Slovakian aircraft had been in international air space south of Samos when it was harassed, Greek officials said.

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Diplomatic condemnation from Greece will do very little when it comes to Turks buzzing these Islands. Getting a positive lock from an S-300 Radar or intercepting them with their own fighters and escorting them out of their territory should do the trick.

Something like what this Russian pilot did should send a proper greedings.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/426537/

Nice to see you back Alex.

[Alexandros]

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Diplomatic condemnation from Greece will do very little when it comes to Turks buzzing these Islands. Getting a positive lock from an S-300 Radar or intercepting them with their own fighters and escorting them out of their territory should do the trick.

Something like what this Russian pilot did should send a proper greedings.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/426537/

Nice to see you back Alex.

Thanks Eddo.

As for the Turkish violations, this s_h_i_t has been going on for too long.The Turks became more and more aggressive in 1975 despite that they recognized the Greek airspace for 44 consecutive years and the above rule of 10 nautical miles.

What made Turkey change their mind, I don`t really know.I do think however that there are external forces that would like to see this dispute go on in the Aegean sea.Foreign defence companies makes big money out of the Aegean sea dispute.They play a role in this dispute.Not to mention USA`s role in this too.They know very well what is going on in the Aegean sea and uses Turkey and Greece as bricks against each other.As long as the Aegean dispute continues, both Greece and Turkey will continue to buy USA`s bloody weapons I`m afraid, which means more profit for the US defence companies and more revenues for USA`s state.What USA would not like to see is a full scale war between Greece and Turkey.That would completely damage NATO`s image as a strong and united transatlantic alliance.But the tensions in the Aegean sea works perfectly fine for USA considering the money they earn out of it.

Anyway, I would like to see this issue to be solved.It could be solved I think if both countries agrees to go to the International Court of Justice and let them decide where to draw the boundaries in the Aegean sea.

On the other hand, Turkey will not be able to join the EU if they continue their aggressive behaviour against Greece because Greece could veto Turkey`s EU negotiations or Turkey`s future EU membership.Take for example the border dispute between Croatia and Slovenia(an EU-member), where Croatia`s EU membership has been delayed because Slovenia used their veto against Croatia and has demanded that the border dispute must first be solved before Croatia could join the EU.That is what is going to happen to Turkey too if they continue their aggressive behaviour.

And there`s also Turkey`s "casus belli", where Turkey threatens Greece with war if Greece extends her territorial waters up to 12 nautical miles in the Aegean sea despite that Turkey has done the same in the Black sea and the Mediterranean sea.They are funny, aren`t they?

Anyway, the Turkish military that runs the country creates a lof of problems between Greece and Turkey.I think many(not all of course) of the problems between Greece and Turkey could have been solved if the Turkish military weren`t that powerful.

And lastly, as soon as a Turkish military aircraft violates Greek airspace, Greek military aircrafts intercepts them and of course locks them with the S-300.In 1996, a Turkish military aircraft was shot down in the Aegean sea and the Turkish pilot died after violating Greek airspace.For not so long time ago, a Greek pilot died after the Greek and Turkish military aircrafts came a little to close to each other and collided.Other reports said that the Turkish pilot deliberately flew close to the Greek military aircraft which caused the death of the Greek pilot.

P.S. By the way the video you posted is not a Russian pilot, It`s a Greek pilot that intercepts a Turkish military aircraft.I know because the pilot speak Greek and I have seen this video before.

[Palavra]

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isnt this a little one sided. Also at past, Turkey said, Lets go court for our "every" problems. It was greece which refused it.

[Alexandros]

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isnt this a little one sided. Also at past, Turkey said, Lets go court for our "every" problems. It was greece which refused it.

"For our every problems"?First time I hear about this.Provide a link to this claim.

[Eddo211]

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P.S. By the way the video you posted is not a Russian pilot, It`s a Greek pilot that intercepts a Turkish military aircraft.I know because the pilot speak Greek and I have seen this video before.

Thanks for the correction Greek brother. I don’t know why it was labeled wrongly as a Russian pilot. I thought the HUD (Heads Up Display) looks familiar.

That is some awesome stick and rudder by the Greek pilot, no matter how much J Jinking (Rooky style split S manouvers with changing altitudes and airspeeds) that Turkish pilot was doing, the Greek pilot in no time had the pipper (Diamond Aim Marker) positively locked on the bandit and if the Greek had permission to fire, for this Turk there would have been no other solution but to Punch Elvis (Eject) or eat a sidewinder.

[Alexandros]

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Cool jets, US tells Turkey

Monday July 6, 2009

State Department official says Ankara warned about Aegean air force flights

A senior US State Department official has told Sunday’s Kathimerini that Washington is putting pressure on Turkey to stop its fighter jets from crossing into Greek air space and flying over Greece’s islands because it is “dangerous” and could “seriously erode” relations between Athens and Ankara.

US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon is in charge of the USA’s policy on a number of issues that affect Greece, including relations with Turkey, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) and the reunification process on Cyprus.

When questioned about persistent incursions into Greek air space by Turkish jets, Gordon indicated that the USA is not pleased with the practice. “We have been watching that very closely and frankly we are disturbed by it,” said Gordon. “It’s a dangerous situation which, if it goes on, can lead to an accident. It obviously leads to tensions, but it could be even worse. Something could happen. That could cost lives or damage, and seriously erode an important relationship.”

In the most recent incident that was made public, two formations comprising a total of 16 Turkish fighter jets violated Greek air space in the central and northern Aegean last Tuesday.

“We are disturbed by the recent trend and have engaged already,” added the State Department official. “We obviously have close relations with both countries and their militaries, and are asking both to show restraint and stand down; particularly military over-flights over inhabited islands are something we could do without.”

Gordon went on to say that it was “encouraging” that Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias and Turkish-Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat were holding talks about ending the division on Cyprus and that Washington was looking to Ankara to enforce its customs union with Cyprus by the end of the year, so that its European Union membership negotiations could proceed.

On the Macedonia name issue, Gordon suggested that negotiations for a settlement between FYROM and Greece should also focus on the question of “Macedonian identity” and how the term could be used.

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[Yakamoz]

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Turkish violations of Greek airspace

hehehe

Do Greeks never violate of Turkish Airspace ?

[hipeter924]

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hehehe

Do Greeks never violate of Turkish Airspace ?

Do Turks ever invade Greek territory? Yes. I think every Greek remembers Cyprus.

[Yakamoz]

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Do Turks ever invade Greek territory? Yes. I think every Greek remembers Cyprus.

Didn't greeks violate 1960 Cyprus Agreement ?