Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

[Alevigirl88]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

by the way alevi girl im alevi too

Hi, where're you from?

I have nothing against Ataturk, but I hate it when people are making a God of him. He's just a symbol of secularism (in the Turkey of now) for me.

[jgk3]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

no actually in world war 1 ottoman already got rid of their armenian minotry

if ataturk was a racist person he would get rid of greek and jeewish population but he didnt do that..

about azeri turks. it is armenian and azeeris problem.. you cannot be both enemy and friend .. you need to choose one..probably many armenians choose to be enemy.. if i was a armenian i would hate turks it is normal.. but i think you guys should be reasonable .... you cannot say we need explain armenian tragedy to all turks and make agreement and then say kill turks or take r our revenge and get our ex lands

We have no reason to hate ordinary Turks, only their government because it is basically part of the same legacy since the CUP concerning the treatment of Armenians.

And you consider that Ataturk was kind to Cappadocian and Pontic Greeks during his rule? Or are you only considering Istanbul when you say Christians were well treated in Turkey during the Republic (even though they were for all practical purposes, second class citizens who were "tolerated", just like during the millet system of the Ottoman empire, except this time, the only millets left to live were in Istanbul's neighbourhoods).

[jgk3]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Pontic-Greeks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_refugees

Basically, this so called "population exchange" between Turkey and Greece did not send Muslims or Christians to their actual homelands, but rather, ripped more Muslims out of the Balkans (though the Ottoman policy of populating the Balkans with Muslims was relatively recent, it was equally catastrophic for those being deported to Turkey) and ripped Greeks out of lands they lived on and even had kingdoms on for thousands of years. This catastrophe followed the Greek genocide in the Ottoman empire during the days of the CUP, which became systematic following the destruction of most Turkish Armenians by 1918. The Greek dates for their genocide point especially to 1920, and by 1923, as declared by the treaty of Lausanne, the survivors were largely ripped out of the country and thrown into Greece, a land they could not identify with and would suffer social stigmatization largely due to their longstanding linguistic differences. Turks and Muslims being depopulated from Greece ultimately took up ex-Christian lands and were some of the most hostile elements of the Turkish population vis-a-vis the Christians who survived the genocide during the CUP and now formed an insignificant minority in regions where they were once a large minority or even a majority.

Essentially, Ataturk completed the destruction of ethnic Greek presence in Turkey outside of Istanbul, even though they once dominated many areas of Turkey, including Smyrna, Pontus and Cappadocia, securing both a victory for Turks exteriorly (by defeating Greece) and interiorly (by homogenizing historically non-Turkish areas as Turkish ones).

[jgk3]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

you'll find plenty if you just google it: http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=h...8b8bcf7c7f5968

Perhaps one of the reasons why you don't hear much about "genocides" in Turkey is because it's outlawed to discuss them as such there.

[egeli]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Pontic-Greeks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_refugees

Basically, this so called "population exchange" between Turkey and Greece did not send Muslims or Christians to their actual homelands, but rather, ripped Muslims out of lands they dwelled on for several centuries and ripped Greeks out of lands they lived on and even had kingdoms on for thousands of years. This catastrophe followed the Greek genocide in the Ottoman empire during the days of the CUP, which became systematic following the destruction of most Turkish Armenians by 1918. The Greek dates for their genocide point especially to 1920, and by 1923, as declared by the treaty of Lausanne, the survivors were largely ripped out of the country and thrown into Greece, a land they could not identify with and would suffer social stigmatization largely due to their longstanding linguistic differences.

Essentially, Ataturk completed the destruction of ethnic Greek presence in Turkey outside of Istanbul, even though they once dominated many areas of Turkey, including Smyrna, Pontus and Cappadocia, securing both a victory for Turks exteriorly (by defeating Greece) and interiorly (by homogenizing historically non-Turkish areas as Turkish ones).

The population exchanges were supported by both Turkey and Greece, because it strengthened the national homogeneity of both countries.

Greece invaded Anatolia, if they won, they would have expelled every last muslim/Turk from what they say as their "historical land". When the Greek army retreated, they showed their true intentions by leaving behind a schorched earth policy in Western Anatolia.

Of course, the victorious Turkish national movement expelled Greeks from their indigenous lands, especially in the aegean region of Anatolia. If the Greeks won, they would have done the same in regions populated by Turks.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

The population exchanges were supported by both Turkey and Greece, because it strengthened the national homogeneity of both countries.

Greece invaded Anatolia, if they won, they would have expelled every last muslim/Turk from what they say as their "historical land". When the Greek army retreated, they showed their true intentions by leaving behind a schorched earth policy in Western Anatolia.

Of course, the victorious Turkish national movement expelled Greeks from their indigenous lands, especially in the aegean region of Anatolia. If the Greeks won, they would have done the same in regions populated by Turks.

I always hate MK passha for insisting on forced exchange with your people.

[Crimson Glow]

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How old are you scrutel? What kind of comment is that?

Scurtel is a previously banned member who made another account for himself. This is the same douchebag that lied about being half Greek in the chatroom, and then proceeded to spend an hour joining in on "deathsquad's" (another Turkish nationalist) barrage of racist insults. Good riddance.

[jgk3]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

The population exchanges were supported by both Turkey and Greece, because it strengthened the national homogeneity of both countries.

Greece invaded Anatolia, if they won, they would have expelled every last muslim/Turk from what they say as their "historical land". When the Greek army retreated, they showed their true intentions by leaving behind a schorched earth policy in Western Anatolia.

Of course, the victorious Turkish national movement expelled Greeks from their indigenous lands, especially in the aegean region of Anatolia. If the Greeks won, they would have done the same in regions populated by Turks.

I agree. I consider the systematic massacres and pillaging of Muslims in the Balkans and in Greece by Christians as no better than what the Turks did to their Christians (even if they did this out of a deep-rooted sense of vengeance for past grievances by their Muslim rulers), in fact, the Balkan Christians set a precedent for the CUP to follow as it exposed the failure of the millet system during the 19th century once and for all. It is on this bloody basis that most nations in the world are created, because we would rather kill eachother than to live as equals, and this will continue as the rule forever, until two old enemies face extinction at the hands of a new, super threat.

[Federate]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

Scurtel is a previously banned member who made another account for himself. This is the same douchebag that lied about being half Greek in the chatroom, and then proceeded to spend an hour joining in on "deathsquad's" (another Turkish nationalist) barrage of racist insults. Good riddance.

Thank you Crimson. I knew he was familiar. He is still banned and was evading his ban. The garbage has been taken out.

[egeli]

Re: Turkey expels British tourist for 'insulting' Atatürk

I always hate MK passha for insisting on forced exchange with your people.

I generally respect your opinions because unlike most people in this forum, you are personally familiar with Turkey and were probably at best treated as a foreigner in your own land.

Though, i cant understand your visceral hate for M.K pasha. If you were to study the man himself instead of the symbol he has become, you will see that he had great respect for the Armenian people and denounced the genocide committed on them by the C.U.P Turanists. Ataturk overthrew the C.U.P rule and expelled from Turkey the main perpetrators of the genocide: Enver, Cemal, Talat etc.

Ataturk accepted those indigenous Christians exempted from the population exchanges in Gokceada (Imbros), b_ozcaada, (Tenedos) and Istanbul as full and equal Turkish citizens as long as they were loyal to his state and ideology. Why else would he have asked Istanbul-Armenian linguists to formulate the Turkish language, which was key to the formation of Turkish national identity?

Ataturk respected the difference between ethnic and national identity; they weren't synonymous in his ideology. After his death, Kemalism gradually became more and more altered till this very day, where it is now a fascist belief closely linked to Turanism. Under current Kemalist ideology, it is impossible to be a respected Turkish citizen if you are not Turkish, sunni, or a secularist.

The heirs of Kemalism have unfortunately betrayed Turkish-Armenians