Muslims occupy Europe

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The chief Tork has weighed in.

PM Erdoğan: Islamophobia should be recognized as crime against humanity

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has stated that Turkey recognizes anti-semitism as a crime, while not a single Western country recognizes Islamophobia as such. Speaking to journalists in Sarajevo after a series of visits to Azerbaijan, Ukraine and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Erdoğan commented on the 14-minute trailer for "Innocence of Muslims," an obscure film that mocks the Prophet Muhammad, which sparked violent riots across various Muslim nations.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2925...-humanity.html

[Mos]

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Politically we need to be on good terms with the Muslims. Religious Muslims are not very fond of Turks and Azeris actually. The only ones visibly anti-Armenian are Whabbists, but they also don't like any other Muslims.

[gegev]

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Well due to the Azeri-Turkish blockade Armenia can't afford to make enemies of Muslims (Shia or Sunni), better to stay neutral or friendly to everyone. Western nations can afford to disagree with Islamic nations, and interfere in their affairs; after all without western investment, trade and tourism their economies would implode. I think all Middle Eastern government's realize that without western money they can't hope to grow economically, in Egypt or Libya especially. When the dust settles from this latest violence, it will be business as usual.

If they know that we are aware what their religion is, it doesn’t make them our enemies automatically, just for that reason.

They know better what Islam preaches; at dealing with Non-Believers (Gyavurs), the knowledge doesn’t convert us to their enemies in their eyes and we can still collaborate with them in economic/geopolitical area.

But they would know, for sure, that in case of religious/ethnic clashes we wouldn’t believe to their promises about our safety declarations given by them. And will be ready to confront to it, by force, at any given moment. Our joined forces, and knowledge of Islam, are the only guarantees of our safety.

Neither Christians nor Muslims don’t agree with the concepts of the other religion. It’s world wide known that Christian religion can’t be compared with Islam in terms of preaching tolerance/democracy. In that sense they just oppose each-other.

Let’s call the things by names they deserve. If we don’t dare to tell the reality, we know, about our opponents, it doesn’t make them pitiful towards us, in case of confrontation. The sign of weakness will make them more violent.

[hipeter924]

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but as Armenians, we shouldn't make enemies with all Muslims. We actually have good relations with Shia Muslims. Our main enemy is Pan-Turkism/Turanist ideology. Zionism is also heavily anti-Armenian.

Well due to the Azeri-Turkish blockade Armenia can't afford to make enemies of Muslims (Shia or Sunni), better to stay neutral or friendly to everyone. Western nations can afford to disagree with Islamic nations, and interfere in their affairs; after all without western investment, trade and tourism their economies would implode. I think all Middle Eastern government's realize that without western money they can't hope to grow economically, in Egypt or Libya especially. When the dust settles from this latest violence, it will be business as usual.

[Mos]

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Absolutely correct! The core of Islam is violence against "non-believers" ("gyavurs", as they call it). If you take it out of Islam nothing will remain. Educated Muslims act as barbarians too, if they are true believers in their sense of religion, this is the behavior of the Muslims in general. If somebody will argue that there are exceptions, I wouldn't enter in polemics much; it could be. We are not talking about exceptions.

but as Armenians, we shouldn't make enemies with all Muslims. We actually have good relations with Shia Muslims. Our main enemy is Pan-Turkism/Turanist ideology. Zionism is also heavily anti-Armenian.

[gegev]

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ffs. nothing about islam is commendable, mohammed told his followers to put "non-believers" to the sword................they've been doing that ever since. It's a religion for violence, discord and abuse. Rent-a-mob dervishes appear in all these countries at a moment's notice, they have a steady supply of western (US) flags to burn and scream their putrid slogans. Maybe they should consider work, maybe they should consider comparing the number of muslims killed by christians against the number of muslims killed by muslims in any given year.

Absolutely correct! The core of Islam is violence against "non-believers" ("gyavurs", as they call it). If you take it out of Islam nothing will remain. Educated Muslims act as barbarians too, if they are true believers in their sense of religion, this is the behavior of the Muslims in general. If somebody will argue that there are exceptions, I wouldn't enter in polemics much; it could be. We are not talking about exceptions.

[hrai]

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I agree, there are though certain elements in Islam that are commendable. For example, regarding women. Just take a look at some of those Western women who pretty much act like men now, versus Muslim women that are on average much more modest, and dedicated to the family, and actually act like a woman.

ffs. nothing about islam is commendable, mohammed told his followers to put "non-believers" to the sword................they've been doing that ever since. It's a religion for violence, discord and abuse. Rent-a-mob dervishes appear in all these countries at a moment's notice, they have a steady supply of western (US) flags to burn and scream their putrid slogans. Maybe they should consider work, maybe they should consider comparing the number of muslims killed by christians against the number of muslims killed by muslims in any given year.

[Mher]

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Thus the 17-th century Christians can be compared with nowadays Muslims in terms of intolerance. And concurrent Christians are 300 years ahead of them; I agree. Lets wait for 300 years w/o moving ahead... to reach equilibrium.

It is not really going to take 300 years though. It has only been a decade or so since home computer and internet have been widely available, even less than that, for some of these countries. As these countries naturally progress toward true democracies, and more of the population become educated, in a few decades these problems will be gone. Just look at Iran, it is mostly a moderate well educated young country, being controlled by a small minority of old religious far right conservatives. Sooner or later, the educated will by far outnumber the uneducated and the old mullas will lose their grasp on power, and all the country will fundamentally change.

[gegev]

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Islam is just a few hundred years behind Christianity, perhaps appropriate considering it started a few hundred years after Christianity. Christians didn't act much differently up until the end of the 17th century. Most of the wars and major conflicts of the 17th century were religiously motivated. Now that we are in the information age, with information so readily available, I think its only a matter of time before many of these countries develop to a point were things like this won't be a problem anymore. I don't think its fair to say Islam is a religion that advocated intolerance unlike Christianity, considering Christians have advocated for just as much intolerance for a majority of the religion's existence.

Thus the 17-th century Christians can be compared with nowadays Muslims in terms of intolerance. And concurrent Christians are 300 years ahead of them; I agree. Lets wait for 300 years w/o moving ahead... to reach equilibrium.

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Islam is just a few hundred years behind Christianity, perhaps appropriate considering it started a few hundred years after Christianity. Christians didn't act much differently up until the end of the 17th century. Most of the wars and major conflicts of the 17th century were religiously motivated. Now that we are in the information age, with information so readily available, I think its only a matter of time before many of these countries develop to a point were things like this won't be a problem anymore. I don't think its fair to say Islam is a religion that advocated intolerance unlike Christianity, considering Christians have advocated for just as much intolerance for a majority of the religion's existence.

It's not possible to reform Islam as it is monolithic. Which is partly why many secular western 'Muslims' are increasingly at odds with it.