Muslims occupy Europe

[Zartonq]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

There is a big difference between the youth wings of political parties and summer camps for young people run by political parties. There are no such things in Britain, and they seem to be unusual even for America with its history of summer camps (though an internet search does find mention of Republican youth camps). They are extremely common in oppressive or ideology-based regimes, or regimes with totalitarian or extreme nationalist or religious inclinations, or in regimes that are characterised by having an established rulling elite (this last would apply to Norway). So they are very common in Russia, and in Turkey. The political party ones started in the 1920s and 1930s, Hitler Youth camps being typical examples: there was no need to indoctrinate the young and groom them to be the successors to the current ruling generation before the era of mass voting and universal sufferage.

Here is a source that describes the situation in Norway: "the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway's powerful bureaucracy as well. Many tend to meet in their youth on the island midway between Oslo and Hinefoss." http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/...er-camp-opens/

As for the extremist actions and beliefs held by some of those who are marginalised in Norway by not being part of that tight network, a dramatic example is the Odin-worshiping neo-pagan movements that emerged in Norway in the 1980s and 1990s. Some extremists amongst the believers actually went around burning down churches, including the famous 12th C Fantoft Stave Church. In a very real sense, Varg Vikernes (who burned down that church) was no different from Anders Behring Breivik. The elites in Norway responded by digging up some forgotten nonsense dreamed up by pseudo-historian Thor Heyerdahl - the idea that Odin was not a God (real or imaginary) but just some mistranslation of "Udi". This led to the destruction of many Armenian churches in Azerbaijan, and the removal of Armenian inscriptions from many others as they were "converted" into "Udi" churches (in restorations paid for by Norway to produce fake Udi history). I think it was either the wife of Norway's then prime minister, or the brother of the wife (or some close family relationship like that) who was put in charge of propagating the "Odin/Udi" story and organising the campaign, along with the Norwegian Church and certain TV presenters in Norway.

I was unaware of the official backing for Heyerdahl's absurd fetish, though I'm fairly confident that our noble neighbors would have proceeded to destroy remnants of civilized culture without Norwegian intervention.

[jgk3]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

There is a big difference between the youth wings of political parties and summer camps for young people run by political parties. There are no such things in Britain, and they seem to be unusual even for America with its history of summer camps (though an internet search does find mention of Republican youth camps). They are extremely common in oppressive or ideology-based regimes, or regimes with totalitarian or extreme nationalist or religious inclinations, or in regimes that are characterised by having an established rulling elite (this last would apply to Norway). So they are very common in Russia, and in Turkey. The political party ones started in the 1920s and 1930s, Hitler Youth camps being typical examples: there was no need to indoctrinate the young and groom them to be the successors to the current ruling generation before the era of mass voting and universal sufferage.

Here is a source that describes the situation in Norway: "the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway's powerful bureaucracy as well. Many tend to meet in their youth on the island midway between Oslo and Hinefoss." http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/...er-camp-opens/

As for the extremist actions and beliefs held by some of those who are marginalised in Norway by not being part of that tight network, a dramatic example is the Odin-worshiping neo-pagan movements that emerged in Norway in the 1980s and 1990s. Some extremists amongst the believers actually went around burning down churches, including the famous 12th C Fantoft Stave Church. In a very real sense, Varg Vikernes (who burned down that church) was no different from Anders Behring Breivik. The elites in Norway responded by digging up some forgotten nonsense dreamed up by pseudo-historian Thor Heyerdahl - the idea that Odin was not a God (real or imaginary) but just some mistranslation of "Udi". This led to the destruction of many Armenian churches in Azerbaijan, and the removal of Armenian inscriptions from many others as they were "converted" into "Udi" churches (in restorations paid for by Norway to produce fake Udi history). I think it was either the wife of Norway's then prime minister, or the brother of the wife (or some close family relationship like that) who was put in charge of propagating the "Odin/Udi" story and organising the campaign, along with the Norwegian Church and certain TV presenters in Norway.

never heard of that one before (Norway's involvement in Azeris destruction of Armenian sites), could you provide some sources for us to read? Thanks.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

A number of political parties in various countries have youth wings. How is the Norwegian case different?

There is a big difference between the youth wings of political parties and summer camps for young people run by political parties. There are no such things in Britain, and they seem to be unusual even for America with its history of summer camps (though an internet search does find mention of Republican youth camps). They are extremely common in oppressive or ideology-based regimes, or regimes with totalitarian or extreme nationalist or religious inclinations, or in regimes that are characterised by having an established rulling elite (this last would apply to Norway). So they are very common in Russia, and in Turkey. The political party ones started in the 1920s and 1930s, Hitler Youth camps being typical examples: there was no need to indoctrinate the young and groom them to be the successors to the current ruling generation before the era of mass voting and universal sufferage.

Here is a source that describes the situation in Norway: "the Labour Party historically is run by a tight network of politicians linked by family relations, marriage and friendships who also have a tendency to take on key roles not only in government but in business and Norway's powerful bureaucracy as well. Many tend to meet in their youth on the island midway between Oslo and Hinefoss." http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/07/...er-camp-opens/

As for the extremist actions and beliefs held by some of those who are marginalised in Norway by not being part of that tight network, a dramatic example is the Odin-worshiping neo-pagan movements that emerged in Norway in the 1980s and 1990s. Some extremists amongst the believers actually went around burning down churches, including the famous 12th C Fantoft Stave Church. In a very real sense, Varg Vikernes (who burned down that church) was no different from Anders Behring Breivik. The elites in Norway responded by digging up some forgotten nonsense dreamed up by pseudo-historian Thor Heyerdahl - the idea that Odin was not a God (real or imaginary) but just some mistranslation of "Udi". This led to the destruction of many Armenian churches in Azerbaijan, and the removal of Armenian inscriptions from many others as they were "converted" into "Udi" churches (in restorations paid for by Norway to produce fake Udi history). I think it was either the wife of Norway's then prime minister, or the brother of the wife (or some close family relationship like that) who was put in charge of propagating the "Odin/Udi" story and organising the campaign, along with the Norwegian Church and certain TV presenters in Norway.

[Armanen]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Why do you think the victims were all on that island - at a youth camp run by a political party, an entity whose ancestry comes from 1930s Hitler Youth camps? They were there because being there would be advantageous to their future success in adult life, especially for a career in politics. The prime minister of Norway himself admitted as much when he said that he had spent several seasons on that island as a teenager.

A number of political parties in various countries have youth wings. How is the Norwegian case different?

The responses to the attack have everything to do with lessons also learnt back in the 1930s: the burning of the Reichstag.

That's why I think with time we will get some clues into who or what gained from the attack, and maybe then we'll be able to discern how accurate the official version is. Keep in mind that it took the police about 70 or more minutes to respond, most SWAT teams respond in 15 mins.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Are you implying that the Oslo attacks were a false flag operation?

The attack itself is entirely to do with Norway and Norwegian society - it has no implications outside of Norway. Norway is an insular country full of insufferable and unjustified smugness and arrogance, a country where if you want to succeed you have to be part of the ruling elites, a country where sections of the population feel entirely alienated because they are not part of those elites, and a country where the outermost end of the alienated often resort to extreme acts and outrageous beliefs. Why do you think the victims were all on that island - at a youth camp run by a political party, an entity whose ancestry comes from 1930s Hitler Youth camps? They were there because being there would be advantageous to their future success in adult life, especially for a career in politics. The prime minister of Norway himself admitted as much when he said that he had spent several seasons on that island as a teenager.

The responses to the attack have everything to do with lessons also learnt back in the 1930s: the burning of the Reichstag.

[Armanen]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Serbia is bowing down to EU pressures in order to become EU member. I wish Serbia had a more nationalist and pro-Russian government, they would be a much closer friend to us, but oh well. Israel is anti-Muslim for sure, but if you are not a J3w, it's not really worth living there, as you are made a second class citizen. I guess if you are a anti-Turk nationalist you could find haven in Armenia, but don't know how well Armenia would be for Western European right wing extremists...

An ultra-right winger from W. Europe or even parts of E. Europe would find Armenia to be much more traditional and conservative, therefore closer to his ideals, than anything he could expect to see in his country of origin.

[Armanen]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Says who?

Who has the most to gain? Who is gaining the most? Who is saying the most? What things are not being said? Who is using the event to their advantage?

Christina's above post is rambling, but it has at least one certain truth - that "the people are like sheep". They run from the sheepdog thinking it a wolf, and they have no comprehension of the existance of the shepherd or his intent or their ultimate fate.

Are you implying that the Oslo attacks were a false flag operation?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

I think all Muslims of Europe should be expelled from Europe.

And I think all idiots should be expelled from this forum. But neither wish is going to happen.

[Serjik]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

I think all Muslims of Europe should be expelled from Europe. The only thing the Israel is good for is to keep Muslims in check.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

I thought though Anders being a right wing extremist....

Says who?

Who has the most to gain? Who is gaining the most? Who is saying the most? What things are not being said? Who is using the event to their advantage?

Christina's above post is rambling, but it has at least one certain truth - that "the people are like sheep". They run from the sheepdog thinking it a wolf, and they have no comprehension of the existance of the shepherd or his intent or their ultimate fate.