Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

[Eddo211]

Re: Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

Under Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu, Turkey seems to be making moves to make it a regional (Middle Eastern) power. They already had the military and economic leverage for quite some time, however with their official policy of "Ataturkism" (complete Western orientation by "breaking with the past") they were still an outsider in the Arab and Muslim worlds. Starting in early 2000s, Turkey has been actively "embracing" its "Ottoman roots" as Davutoglu has gone as far as to formulate a policy of Neo-Ottomanism.

Israel is worried that Turkey might slip away. The majority of the population of Turkey (even metropolitan) still remained traditional, which means even if nominal adhering to Islam and its values, thus sharing more of a connection with the Palestinians than the Israelis.

The Turkish Nationalist chatter that I come across seems to point to what you say.
Do you think they speak the truth when they claim that they are not expansionists? the Islamic neo Ottomanists are..........They sure try hard to convince Isaelis otherwise. Ha.

Latest Gallup poll:



To put these findings in perspective, it is worth noting that Turkish respondents are cool toward the job performance of foreign organizations and country leadership in general. However, the United States' and Israel's leadership are the only two to have a majority of respondents disapprove.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/117253/ob...sh-public.aspx

[AlphaPapa]

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Maybe now Orthodox Israelis will stop spitting on Christians, especially our priests. You'd think they'd be the first people to fight for our genocide recognition, and not out of anger towards recent events.

We should be taking bets on when the next military coup will be...I say late December/early January.

[Alexandros]

Re: Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

Maybe now Orthodox Israelis will stop spitting on Christians, especially our priests. You'd think they'd be the first people to fight for our genocide recognition, and not out of anger towards recent events.

We should be taking bets on when the next military coup will be...I say late December/early January.

Well, that would definitely halt the EU negotiations and Turkey`s ambition to become a member of the EU...

[Catharsis]

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The Turkish Nationalist chatter that I come across seems to point to what you say.
Do you think they speak the truth when they claim that they are not expansionists? the Islamic neo Ottomanists are..........They sure try hard to convince Isaelis otherwise. Ha.

Every nation tries to expand its influence in one way or another, so of course they are serious.

Latest Gallup poll:



To put these findings in perspective, it is worth noting that Turkish respondents are cool toward the job performance of foreign organizations and country leadership in general. However, the United States' and Israel's leadership are the only two to have a majority of respondents disapprove.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/117253/ob...sh-public.aspx

Thanks for the info, quite interesting. Well, if my memory serves me right based on several polls conducted, roughly 1/3 of Turks are 'hardcore' Islamists, while the other 1/3 are "moderate" Islamic oriented, while perhaps roughly the other 1/3 is "secular." But the national direction has obviously shifted more toward the Middle East, while at the same tame trying to maintain ties with the West and also Israel. The current Turkish government is also smart enough to adhere to populist outcries from its own Turkish constituency in light of the 2008-2009 Israeli excursion into Gaza and what many Turks viewed were clear war crimes. Erdogan went as far as to call it a "genocide." So the relationship has been deteriorating for some time now and Turkey due to its geostrategic location - at the crossroads of Europe and Asia - has resources and can afford to look toward the Middle East.

Israel on the other hand needs Turkey more since it has virtually no friends whatsoever in the Middle East. Even Egypt and Jordan maintain nominal ties with Israel because of already strained situation in their own constituencies when it comes to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.

[AlphaPapa]

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Well, that would definitely halt the EU negotiations and Turkey`s ambition to become a member of the EU...

I wish...since when has Europe or the UN given a damn about democracy in Turkey? Human rights? If anything, blaming it on 'Islamic fundamentalists', the military dictatorship will enable the European nancys to look the other way. They have enough problems with the Islamic boogiemen and large Turkish populations.

The only good that'll come out is more tension with Iran and Arab nations but more bedfellowship with Israel and Syria.

The EU is turning into as big of a joke as the UN.

[Anoush]

Re: Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

The Armenian Genocide is being used again.


Turkish officials have short memory for history

Rize city (North Turkey) was a first stop in the regional tour of Mr. Pinhas Avivi, Israeli Ambassador to Turkey. The meeting between Israeli diplomat and Halil Bakirci, Mayor of Rize, was chilly, Iha e-source informs. Bakirci said that the locals are worried about Israeli tourists staying in the countryside, bypassing the city.

Avivi stated that Israeli-Turkish relations have stable basis, although they presently go through hard times.

"Israel carries out expansionist policy and opinion of Turkish people about it will remain unchanged. Due to this, as a governor I am concerned over the matter, as Israeli tourists might face challenges while visiting the country. Preventive measures are taken in this regard," Bakirci stated.

Israeli Ambassador insisted that there is no alternative to his country but to do so, adding that Turks would act likewise if find themselves in a similar situation.

Bakirci maintained, "I do not speak on behalf of the country but on my own. While at war, Israel will fail to achieve peace. For peace establishment in the region Israel should end the war. Indeed, Rize residents will defend themselves in case of threat, but in no way killing children," emphasized Bakirci.

The dialogue broke off, as this sharp standpoint astonished Israeli Ambassador and his entourage.

Accusing Israel of committing crimes in Palestine, Rize Mayor forgot to mention Turks' ability to perpetrate the massacre of a whole nation while "defending themselves". In any case, raving about the murdered Palestinian children, the Turkish official withheld how Turks slaughtered Armenian children during the Genocide in 1915.

News from Armenia - NEWS.am

http://news.am/en/news/7911.html

[KanadaHye]

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The Armenian Genocide is being used again.

I think Ankara needs to nuke Tel Aviv and vise versa. We'll just rebuild around the fallout

[Anoush]

Re: Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

I think Ankara needs to nuke Tel Aviv and vise versa. We'll just rebuild around the fallout

Geghdodnere. Hayerous aghvor me garkatretsin himag al irar mis gouden gor. Jehennem yertan.

[hipeter924]

Re: Israelis ban Turkish coffee/hand out Armenian Genocide info

The Armenian Genocide is being used again.


Turkish officials have short memory for history

Rize city (North Turkey) was a first stop in the regional tour of Mr. Pinhas Avivi, Israeli Ambassador to Turkey. The meeting between Israeli diplomat and Halil Bakirci, Mayor of Rize, was chilly, Iha e-source informs. Bakirci said that the locals are worried about Israeli tourists staying in the countryside, bypassing the city.

Avivi stated that Israeli-Turkish relations have stable basis, although they presently go through hard times.

"Israel carries out expansionist policy and opinion of Turkish people about it will remain unchanged. Due to this, as a governor I am concerned over the matter, as Israeli tourists might face challenges while visiting the country. Preventive measures are taken in this regard," Bakirci stated.

Israeli Ambassador insisted that there is no alternative to his country but to do so, adding that Turks would act likewise if find themselves in a similar situation.

Bakirci maintained, "I do not speak on behalf of the country but on my own. While at war, Israel will fail to achieve peace. For peace establishment in the region Israel should end the war. Indeed, Rize residents will defend themselves in case of threat, but in no way killing children," emphasized Bakirci.

The dialogue broke off, as this sharp standpoint astonished Israeli Ambassador and his entourage.

Accusing Israel of committing crimes in Palestine, Rize Mayor forgot to mention Turks' ability to perpetrate the massacre of a whole nation while "defending themselves". In any case, raving about the murdered Palestinian children, the Turkish official withheld how Turks slaughtered Armenian children during the Genocide in 1915.

News from Armenia - NEWS.am

http://news.am/en/news/7911.html

Basically all the officials know the genocide happened, some have even spoken out, they deny because it is government policy and Turkish politcial interest.

[Palavra]

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The Armenian Genocide is being used again.

do you realy thing any nation care about AG except armenians(not all of them.) They are all using it.

So why are you only against it when Israel is using it?