Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

Why should Armenians defend Muslims? After their treatment of us throughout history, their support of Azerbaijan during Karabakh war? All they have is brought to us is war and oppression, it is their Muslim religion that also majorly contributed to the Genocide.. So I really could care less if they can or can't build minarets for themselves and we Armenians should not care or defend them.

You are generalizing because you are naive and uninformed. What about new Julfa, Iraq, Syria?

[Catharsis]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

You are generalizing because you are naive and uninformed. What about new Julfa, Iraq, Syria?

Do you know the percentage of Armenians that made it alive to build New Julfa? Do you know the level (and centuries) of devastation the forced migration had on Armenia?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

Do you know the percentage of Armenians that made it alive to build New Julfa? Do you know the level (and centuries) of devastation the forced migration had on Armenia?

I cannot really because I was not there. On Armenia maybe, but Armenians? It was a dozen of one and 12 of another. They were given the opportunity to flourish or perish.

In land struggles in the region with Ottomans and Persians, how often was that option given? Do you know? Do you know how Armenians prospered there? Hmm. Do you know?

Is New Julfa still there, are Armenians still there? do you know, do you know?





Are those minarets?

[Catharsis]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

I cannot really because I was not there. On Armenia maybe, but Armenians? It was a dozen of one and 12 of another. They were given the opportunity to flourish or perish.

Most perished during the forced marches. Only a tiny percent got to Isfahan, and adjoining areas.

In land struggles in the region with Ottomans and Persians, how often was that option given? Do you know? Do you know how Armenians prospered there? Hmm. Do you know?

What I know is Armenians were living on their land and they did not want to leave their native land and were forced to do so. As I said most died during this forced exile.

Is New Julfa still there, are Armenians still there? do you know, do you know?

New Julfa is a great Armenian landmark today. However, this aspect is dwarfed by the sheer magnitude of Armenian death and the devastation it had on Armenia which left it (especially Eastern Armenia) virtually empty of Armenians for centuries.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

Most perished during the forced marches. Only a tiny percent got to Isfahan, and adjoining areas.



What I know is Armenians were living on their land and they did not want to leave their native land and were forced to do so. As I said most died during this forced exile.



New Julfa is a great Armenian landmark today. However, this aspect is dwarfed by the sheer magnitude of Armenian death and the devastation it had on Armenia which left it (especially Eastern Armenia) virtually empty of Armenians for centuries.

What would have happened if they stayed? Those that ended up in New Julfa and lived were in a no win situation.

Naturally, they would have perished. Stuck between a dynasty clashing with an empire. They were moved off the battlefield in a battle they would have lost and offered a new life by those who threatened them in their country. It was not genocide. The Shah saw the Armenians as assets not liabilities.

No Armenians somewhere geographically is better than no Armenians at all.

Your knowledge is shorting you of wisdom.

[Catharsis]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

What would have happened if they stayed? Those that ended up in New Julfa and lived were in a no win situation.

Naturally, they would have perished. Stuck between a dynasty clashing with an empire. They were moved off the battlefield in a battle they would have lost and offered a new life by those who threatened them in their captors country.

No Armenians somewhere geographically is better than no Armenians at all.

You knowledge is shorting you of wisdom.

I am just saying you have to really look at the event and the total impact. Today, you see the beautiful city of New Julfa (which is also experiencing a demographic crisis) and you think of "tolerance." However, I am pointing out the genuine history that gave rise to this city, when Armenians by the whims of Shah Abbas were forced to leave their homeland on a death march, most died during the forced exile and those who made it were ordered to erect a center that would make that region of Iran prosper. If we are to be proud of New Julfa we should put things into their proper perspective.

I do consider Iran an ally, this does stem from history (we were much closer back in time), but more importantly again Iran needs Armenia just as much because of pan-Turkism and is not simply a "good will" gesture on their part.

[Eddo211]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

.........Are those minarets?

No

The Minaret (Symbol of Faith & POWER): tall slender towers attached to the city’s mosques from which muezzins call the faithful to prayer five times a day. Indeed, the minaret—along with the dome—is one or the most characteristic forms of Islamic architecture, and the sound of the adhan, the call to prayer, is as typical of Cairo or Istanbul or Riyadh as the sound of bells is of Rome.

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200202/the.minaret-symbol.of.faith.power.htm

[garod]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

Referendum and its dramatic connection with Eastern Swiss :

Swiss voters back ban on minarets

In a stunning rebuke to their main political parties - all but one of which had rejected the proposal - Swiss voters yesterday (29 November) endorsed a ban on minarets. The popular initiative was approved by 57.5% of voters and a majority in all but four of the 26 cantons.

Voter-turnout was 53.4%, high by Swiss standards for a referendum.


The only German-speaking canton to reject the initiative was Basel-Stadt, one of Switzerland's most urban cantons with the highest share of Muslim residents - around 10%, double the national average.

Three French-speaking cantons - Geneva, Vaud and Neuchâtel - also voted against the ban. Zurich, Switzerland's biggest canton by far, approved the measure with a small majority of less than 52%. In Appenzell Innerrhoden, a tiny rural canton in eastern Switzerland with almost no Muslims, 71.5% voted ‘Yes', the highest share in the whole country

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article...ets/66561.aspx

Switzerland's Long Way to Women's Right to Vote

1959 A majority of Switzerland's men say no in a national referendum on women's right to vote on February, 1st: 654,939 (67%) no vs. 323,727 (31%) yes. In some smaller cantons in central and eastern Switzerland the no-majority reaches more than 80%, in Appenzell Innerrhoden even 95%. Only three French speaking western cantons say yes: Vaud (51%), Neuchâtel (52%) and Geneva (60%). Vaud introduces women's right to vote in a referendum on cantonal and local level. Neuchâtel follows in September 1959, Geneva in 1960.

1971 Finally on February, 7th women's right to vote is accepted in Switzerland with a majority of 621,109 (66%) yes vs. 323,882 (34%) no. But in central and eastern Switzerland there are still seven cantons with a no-majority. Four more cantons introduce women's right to vote on cantonal and local level by referendums: Fribourg, Schaffhausen, Zug and Aargau

http://history-switzerland.geschicht...itzerland.html

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

I dunno, but there does not seem to be much difference between a minaret or steeple except faith and the sound which emanates from the structure.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Switzerland voted to ban the building of Minarets

If you want democracy, you have to live with its decisions. The Swiss simply do not want their landscape changed.