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  • #11
    Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    I don't think with the current right-wing government in Israel there will be substantial progress. Even US is strained with Israel over several issues, so it's not the best atmosphere for a peace deal right now. Calling it the "struggle for free Palestine" is kind of absurd, as any viable solution is going to be two-state, so Palestine will be officially independent one day or later. Really it's solving those issues like the new settlements or the status of Jerusalem, those touchy subjects are the real problems here. Honestly I think Jerusalem should be an international city, city state, like Vatican City. With the governance headed by all three main religions that are represented there. Of course getting Israel to budge on this will be very hard, even getting them to stop new settlements is hard. But on other hand, people are also going to have to get used to Israel being there, and being a viable state, energy should not be put in trying to wipe out Israel, but trying to work out the best deal with the Israelis.
    I don't think there should be a state of Israel, it should go back to what it was under British mandate before the Zionists imported terrorism to the "holy" land.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #12
      Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

      History's repeating itself... first it was the Palestinian notables and landowners who sold land to the Zionists, then stirred up the dispossessed population against the xxxs, now they're again selling land for some petty authority over a people stripped of everything...
      'A mamma 're strunze sempre prena.

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      • #13
        Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

        Mahmoud Abbas asked businessman to donate $50m to Mahmoud Ahamdinejad opponents, according to the documents

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-leaked-papers
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          Palestine papers reveal MI6 drew up plan for crackdown on Hamas

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...amas-crackdown
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          • #15
            Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            I don't think there should be a state of Israel, it should go back to what it was under British mandate before the Zionists imported terrorism to the "holy" land.
            Why not? xxxs have been living in that part of the world for ages, why don't they deserve a state? And how did they import terrorism to the holy land? It's been a see-saw conflict between the Arabs and Israelis in that area.
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            • #16
              Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

              But not at the expense of the Arabs.

              "What we want is not that the country be united and whole, but that the united and whole country be xxxish."
              'A mamma 're strunze sempre prena.

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              • #17
                Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                Originally posted by Mos View Post
                Why not? xxxs have been living in that part of the world for ages, why don't they deserve a state? And how did they import terrorism to the holy land? It's been a see-saw conflict between the Arabs and Israelis in that area.
                You've answered your own question. There wasn't a see-saw battle until Israel was forced on the region. Palestine was supposed to be free for all its inhabitants. People of the world would have been able to freely visit the area but instead the holy land has been taken hostage.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #18
                  Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  You've answered your own question. There wasn't a see-saw battle until Israel was forced on the region. Palestine was supposed to be free for all its inhabitants. People of the world would have been able to freely visit the area but instead the holy land has been taken hostage.
                  I believe xxxs deserved a state, they have lived in that area like the arabs for ages; Israel has the right to exist. When it comes to issue of Jerusalem, I think it should belong neither to the Israels nor to the Palestinians, it should be an independent city. And finally there should be a two state solution between the two of course.

                  Now when it comes to the conflict between the two, honestly blaming it on one side entirely is inappropriate. The Arab countries in the region have from the start attempted to destroy Israel, and naturally Israel has responded in order to survive. Have they done wrong things also? Of course they have.
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                  • #19
                    Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                    Originally posted by Mos View Post
                    I believe xxxs deserved a state, they have lived in that area like the arabs for ages; Israel has the right to exist. When it comes to issue of Jerusalem, I think it should belong neither to the Israels nor to the Palestinians, it should be an independent city. And finally there should be a two state solution between the two of course.

                    Now when it comes to the conflict between the two, honestly blaming it on one side entirely is inappropriate. The Arab countries in the region have from the start attempted to destroy Israel, and naturally Israel has responded in order to survive. Have they done wrong things also? Of course they have.
                    Even orthodox J3ws agree there shouldn't be a J3wish state. They are the ones who are literate in scripture. They realize its a power vacuum that isn't sustainable. If it was to become a two state entity, that would automatically put an end to the imperialist ambitions of the Zionist leaders which means they would forfeit their rule over the region altogether.
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • #20
                      Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      Even orthodox J3ws agree there shouldn't be a J3wish state. They are the ones who are literate in scripture. They realize its a power vacuum that isn't sustainable. If it was to become a two state entity, that would automatically put an end to the imperialist ambitions of the Zionist leaders which means they would forfeit their rule over the region altogether.
                      It's already, de-facto, a two state entity, all Palestine needs is official recognition, which it will get after a peace deal. Many people on both sides agree to the 2 state solution; the whole peace negotiations are based on the 2 state solution. The real issue at hand is the status of Jerusalem and the new settlements.

                      So you think they rule the region? Remember Israel is a tiny territory surrounded by much bigger Arab countries; in no way does it rule the area, it's just powerful military and no arab nation has been able to do anything about it. L
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