Free Palestine - The Struggle

[KanadaHye]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

Isn't there enough failed islamic states? why create another one? IF you think its going to be a paradise like UAE, you're dreaming. An islamic state next to israel, everyday they'll drop a missle on israel, and start whining about how israel denys them their "rights".

If Israel gave people rights, there wouldn't be so many anti-government activists.

[Mos]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

Isn't there enough failed islamic states? why create another one? IF you think its going to be a paradise like UAE, you're dreaming. An islamic state next to israel, everyday they'll drop a missle on israel, and start whining about how israel denys them their "rights".

Well, failed or success, Palestinians deserve their own country, more accurately they have a right to one. Hopefully, they will be able to discern the fact that if they want to succeed as a state, they cannot start targeting Israel by force, given it's unprovoked.

If Israel gave people rights, there wouldn't be so many anti-government activists.

Israel is obsessed with maintaining a "xxxish state" and afraid that the native Muslims, which have more children, will prevent this. Thus, they will naturally discriminate in some cases against non-xxxs to keep their dream of a purely xxxish state alive. In effect, Israel is a theocracy, I hate when Westerns (esp Americans) proclaim Israel to be a "democracy" that needs to be protected....right dream on...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

Well, failed or success, Palestinians deserve their own country, more accurately they have a right to one. Hopefully, they will be able to discern the fact that if they want to succeed as a state, they cannot start targeting Israel by force, given it's unprovoked.

This is the problem. I'm afraid a two state solution isn't a solution and won't solve much either because it's Israel's policy of segregation and promotion of a J3wish colony that is causing the problems.

Israel is obsessed with maintaining a "xxxish state" and afraid that the native Muslims, which have more children, will prevent this. Thus, they will naturally discriminate in some cases against non-xxxs to keep their dream of a purely xxxish state alive. In effect, Israel is a theocracy, I hate when Westerns (esp Americans) proclaim Israel to be a "democracy" that needs to be protected....right dream on...

Americans think that switching the face of the president every 4 to 8 years is a democracy.

[Federate]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

Fatah delegation in Armenia to boost UN bid for statehood

June 19, 2011 - 17:49 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - A Fatah delegation arrived in Armenia on Sunday, June 19, to strengthen support for the recognition a Palestinian state, Ma'an News Agency reported.

Nabil Shaath, coordinator for international relations, led members of Fatah's Central Committee in meetings with a number of Armenian officials and leaders of political parties. The visit is part of preparations to obtain international support for UN recognition of a Palestinian state in September. Bilateral issues were also discussed.

In addition to Armenia, Shaath will also visit Moldova, the Philippines, Mexico, and Colombia in order to boost a UN bid for statehood in September.

Spain has recently said it is in favor of a Palestinian bid at the UN, although the issue has divided European nations, with Germany opposed to recognition and France uncertain.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/72825/

[Mos]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

Fatah delegation in Armenia to boost UN bid for statehood

June 19, 2011 - 17:49 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - A Fatah delegation arrived in Armenia on Sunday, June 19, to strengthen support for the recognition a Palestinian state, Ma'an News Agency reported.

Nabil Shaath, coordinator for international relations, led members of Fatah's Central Committee in meetings with a number of Armenian officials and leaders of political parties. The visit is part of preparations to obtain international support for UN recognition of a Palestinian state in September. Bilateral issues were also discussed.

In addition to Armenia, Shaath will also visit Moldova, the Philippines, Mexico, and Colombia in order to boost a UN bid for statehood in September.

Spain has recently said it is in favor of a Palestinian bid at the UN, although the issue has divided European nations, with Germany opposed to recognition and France uncertain.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/72825/

I still don't think we will recognise Palestine. Why get involved really? Plus we will just use the Karabakh argument to defend it. (We can't recognise any territory until we recognise NKR)

[Federate]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

I still don't think we will recognise Palestine. Why get involved really? Plus we will just use the Karabakh argument to defend it. (We can't recognise any territory until we recognise NKR)

The list of countries Fatah is visiting is rather interesting and strange choices. The article states they are going to visit Armenia, Moldova, the Philippines, Mexico, and Colombia. Of all these states, only Armenia has zero contact with the PLO/PNA. Moldova, Mexico and Colombia do not recognise Palestine but they have official relations with the PLO/PNA. Philippines recognises Palestine so i'm not sure what the point of that is.

FYI, countries that are in the same boat as Armenia:

Andorra, Armenia, Liechtenstein, Republic of Macedonia, Monaco, San Marino

Myanmar, Singapore, Thailand (OIC observer)

Cook Islands, Fiji, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru, Niue, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu

Liberia, Malawi

Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Dominica, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Panama, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago

Sovereign Military Order of Malta

[Armanen]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

I too do not think we should recognize Palestine before Artsakh is de jure recognized by Armenia.

[Federate]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

I too do not think we should recognize Palestine before Artsakh is de jure recognized by Armenia.

We should barter to our advantage. Either something with Israel and if they reject, something with the Palestinians. Recognition of Artsakh would be nice. A longshot, but should be attempted.

[Armanen]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

We should barter to our advantage. Either something with Israel and if they reject, something with the Palestinians. Recognition of Artsakh would be nice. A longshot, but should be attempted.

That is another issue and one which I think should be looked into by the Armenian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the NSC, and the President. Some issues to consider:
How would Armenian recognition of Palestine affect Armenians in Jerusalem, especially the Armenian Quarter, and Armenians in israel in general? Another question to be raised is would israel be willing to forgo some of its military ties with azerbaijan if Armenia did not recognize Palestine. I think they would not, and to be honest israel probably does not care too much what Armenia decides, of course they would rather all nations reject the resolution, but they care more about the power players on the international stage.

[Federate]

Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

That is another issue and one which I think should be looked into by the Armenian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the NSC, and the President. Some issues to consider:
How would Armenian recognition of Palestine affect Armenians in Jerusalem, especially the Armenian Quarter, and Armenians in israel in general? Another question to be raised is would israel be willing to forgo some of its military ties with azerbaijan if Armenia did not recognize Palestine. I think they would not, and to be honest israel probably does not care too much what Armenia decides, of course they would rather all nations reject the resolution, but they care more about the power players on the international stage.

Indeed. We should try to get something out of this in return. Maybe some kind of guarantee for the Armenian quarter, at the very least.