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    Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties

    Erdogan halts trade, military and defence ties after Israel's refusal to apologise over Gaza flotilla attack.

    Turkey is "totally suspending" all trade, military and defence industry ties with Israel, the Turkish prime minister said.

    "Trade ties, military ties, regarding defence industry ties, we are completely suspending them," Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said in Ankara on Tuesday.

    "This process will be followed by different measures," said Erdogan, who referred to Israel as "a spoiled child".

    Turkey has not frozen military ties with Israel, Amos Gilad, the head of the Israeli defence ministry's diplomatic-security bureau, told Israel's Army Radio, saying that the Israeli military attache in Turkey is still serving as usual.

    "Turkey has a lot to lose from making this kind of extreme decision," Gilad said.

    The call to suspend the ties comes a day after the Turkish minister of economy had said that bilateral commercial ties would continue as usual, Al Jazeera's Serpil Karacan reported from Istanbul.

    Suspension of "the miiltary ties is very significant between the two countries to the degree that it'll have some impact on Turkey as well, especially for the Heron planes and especially for military intelligence," she said.

    Turkey downgraded diplomatic relations with its former ally to the level of second secretary last week after Israel refused to apologise for the deadly Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound Turkish-flagged protest flotilla that killed nine pro-Palestinian activists last year.

    On Friday, Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador in Ankara, suspended military deals and vowed a greater naval presence in the eastern Mediterranean Sea.

    Erdogan said the Israeli diplomats who had been ordered out of Turkey must leave by Wednesday.

    'Excessive' force

    Last week, a United Nations-mandated inquiry into the deadly Israeli attack on the flotilla said Israel's action were "excessive".

    "Israel's decision to board the vessels with such substantial force at a great distance from the blockade zone and with no final warning immediately prior to the boarding was excessive and unreasonable," the inquiry says.

    The UN investigation into the events on the Turkish-flagged ship known as the Mavi Marmara, the largest of six vessels that were commandeered by Israeli commandos on May 31, 2010, was headed by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, a former prime minister of New Zealand, aided by Alvaro Uribe, the former Colombian president, along with a representative each from Israel and Turkey.

    It said, however, that the flotilla "acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade" set up by Israel around Gaza.

    The inquiry called for Israel to make "an appropriate statement of regret" for the raid and pay compensation to the families of the dead as well as to injured victims.

    Turkey and Israel should resume full diplomatic relations "repairing their relationship in the interests of stability in the Middle East," the report said.

    Gaza trip hinted

    Erdogan hinted on Tuesday that he might make a visit to Gaza, though adding that no final decision had been made yet.

    "We are talking with the Egyptians on this matter ... A trip to Gaza is not finalised yet," Erdogan, who is due to visit Egypt next week.

    Israel has expressed regret for the loss of lives in the 2010 flotilla raid but refused to issue an apology for what they say was their soldiers' act of "self-defence".

    Karacan said the tension between Israel and Turkey was deeply rooted and had escalated as Ankara displayed an active interest in the Palestinian question.

    "Israel was never happy that Turkey had a more Islamist-inclined government that shows more interest in the Palestinian question and takes it to heart and supports it in all international platforms," she said.

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    Turkey Vows Military Sanctions as Turkey-Israel Relations Fray


    ANKARA, JERUSALEM (Combined Sources)—After an United Nations report on last year’s Turkey’s flotilla incident in the Gaza Strip, relations between long-time allies Turkey and Israel became more tense as Turkey vowed military sanctions.

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan announced on Tuesday that Turkey was “totally suspending” defense industry ties with Israel, after downgrading diplomatic relations with Israel, reported the Hurriyet Daily News.

    In vowing more sanctions against Israel, Erdogan said “our ships will be seen more frequently in those waters,” referring to the Eastern Mediterranean, reported Hurriyet.

    The UN report issued Friday found that Israel was within its rights to raid the Turkish flotilla in order to avoid arms shipments to Palestinians. The report, however, criticized Israel’s use of force was excessive. Israel continued to refuse to apologize to Turkey, which has angered Turkish officials.

    Ankara has ordered the top Israel envoy and other high-level diplomats to leave Turkey by Wednesday.

    Ella Ofek, the deputy to the Israeli ambassador to Turkey, was summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry on Sunday and verbally notified about Turkey’s decision. Ankara also informed Israel about the obligation in a written note on Monday, an official from the ministry told the Hürriyet Daily News.

    Passengers traveling to Turkey from Israel were interrogated upon arrival at Istanbul airport, as were passengers traveling from Turkey to Istanbul were similarly questions at the Tel Aviv airport, reported the New York Times.
    The United States expressed concern about tensions between Israel and Turkey and Ankara’s threats to slap additional sanctions on Israel, and is endeavoring to mend fences between the two parties, a U.S. State Department spokesperson said Tuesday.

    While praising the UN report on the flotilla incident, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said that U.S. Secretary of State Clinton and the U.S. Ambassador in Ankara recently met at length with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu to try to diffuse the tensions, reported the Haaretz newspaper..

    “We are concerned”, said Nuland. “We have over many months tried to work with our ally Turkey and our ally Israel to strengthen and improve their bilateral relationship. We still believe that getting back to a good partnership between them is in each of their interests, and we will continue to work for that goal with both of them.”

    “There are freedom of navigation issues for both Turkey and for Israel, but we want to avoid future confrontations and we want both of these strong allies of the United States to get back to a place where they have a good working relationship with each other”.

    In his remarks, Erdoğan told reporters that he may visit Gaza and would decide whether to do so after talks with Egypt. Erdoğan is planning to visit Cairo later this month.


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      Turkish press discusses Israel’s possible recognition of Armenian Genocide

      September 06, 2011 | 13:51

      Turkey’s attitude towards Israel provoked certain steps in the parliament regarding recognition of the Armenian Genocide, writes Turkish Haberturk newspaper.

      The newspaper recalls words of Israeli MP Arie Eldad who said Turkey will get a response for deporting Israeli diplomats.

      Once the parliamentary hearings start, the Armenian Genocide bill will be included in the agenda, Eldad said.

      Information has been recently spread by almost all media outlets which claim the Armenian Diaspora hopes that Israel will recognize the Armenian Genocide in response to Turkey’s attitude.

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        Turkey will recognize the Armenian Genocide before Israel will...
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          Armenian Genocide recognition has just become a political tool, used to pressure Turkey. Israel won't recognise Genocide because of its very close relations with Azerbaijan.
          Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
          ---
          "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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            Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

            This step on Turkey's part seems excessive and oddly-timed (on the surface). I think it's safe to assume that if Turkey was that upset over the flotilla raid (involving the deaths of pro-Palestinian activits), which I believe took place in the summer of 2010, they wouldn't have waited to act 'till the UN inquiry resulted in an official report. According to CNN, in addition to all of the above, Turkey is also filing against Israel with the ICJ (International Court of Justice)...Intuitively, Turkey's actions seem like a politically motivated preemptive strike. My question to those of you more knowledgeable in near eastern politics is this: what is Turkey's real motive behind all of these actions? what do they hope to convey to the diplomatic world or achieve politically? (I wouldn't think it can be as simple as using this incident to announce its more... shall we say "islamified" ...stance to the world)

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              Turkey and Israel ‘may tumble into conflict’ over Cyprus

              07/09 14:29 CET

              “It is possible that Turkey and Israel might tumble into an armed conflict in the Mediterranean.” It is remarkable to hear these words from a diplomat who spent most of his career building good relations between the two countries. But Alon Liel has not ruled out this possibility.

              Turkey and Israel, long time allies in the Middle East, have been at odds since the Gaza War in 2009. Turkey’s Prime Minister openly criticised Israel’s bombardment of civilians in Gaza during the operation and bawled out Israeli President Shimon Peres during a conference at Davos.

              However this crisis was contained by adept diplomats, while Peres was quick to save relations from a free fall. But the flotilla crisis in May last year ended, with the killing of eight Turks and one Turkish-American citizen during the Israeli raid, was hard to swallow for Turkey.

              Turkey wanted an apology, but the Israeli right wing government resisted and after 15 months of waiting Turkey decided to downgrade relations to Second Secretary.

              “This is a strategic decision which will have economic, political and social implications. It needs a lot of time to recover.” Alon Liel told Euronews.

              The most striking of Turkey’s decision was protecting free navigation rights in the Mediterranean, which was regarded as using force by many analysts. And according to Liel this may cause an armed conflict between the two countries:

              “I think Turkey and Israel can fight not because of Gaza or Lebanon, but over Cyprus. Arguments over the rights of gas and oil reserves, its shipping, demarcation of territorial waters may cause conflict. Both navies know each other, this may help to overcome crisis but it is possible for the two countries to enter into an armed conflict.”

              Prof. Efrahim Inbar talks about other implications to bilatarel relations. “We helped Turkey in overcoming genocide resolution at the American Congress for many years. I myself worked for this. But people in the Washington lobby are mad at Turkey now.”

              In Israel some people talk about “using the Kurdish card”, in other words supporting the PKK armed Kurdish separatist group over Turkey. But both analysts ruled out such a policy and say that “no serious Israeli talk about it. It is an idea brought by bloggers.”

              But is there a way out for the two countries without resorting to conflict?

              Liel thinks that there are two aspects to answer this question. On the bilateral level, governments must be more careful while on a regional level the Israeli-Palestinian peace process should be revived because Turkish-Israeli relations are closely linked to the Israeli-Arab question.

              “If Israel had apologized for the killings it would be over,” says Liel. But Inbar is more pessimistic. He says “As long as the AK Party supports “terrorist” Hamas, things can’t get better. Turkey is now a friend of Hamas and Iran not Israel.”

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                Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

                Originally posted by LadyLazarus View Post
                This step on Turkey's part seems excessive and oddly-timed (on the surface). I think it's safe to assume that if Turkey was that upset over the flotilla raid (involving the deaths of pro-Palestinian activits), which I believe took place in the summer of 2010, they wouldn't have waited to act 'till the UN inquiry resulted in an official report. According to CNN, in addition to all of the above, Turkey is also filing against Israel with the ICJ (International Court of Justice)...Intuitively, Turkey's actions seem like a politically motivated preemptive strike. My question to those of you more knowledgeable in near eastern politics is this: what is Turkey's real motive behind all of these actions? what do they hope to convey to the diplomatic world or achieve politically? (I wouldn't think it can be as simple as using this incident to announce its more... shall we say "islamified" ...stance to the world)
                Is turkey acting to place itself proudly as the champion of the islamic world in light of the "Arab Spring"? A quick look around the ME shows major changes and erdogan could see a revival, of sorts, of the ottoman empire. North Africa from Egypt to Algeria is in turmoil, Lebanon is a basket case and the turcs are trying to pressure the Syrians, a real worry for them as if Syria has a revolution a la Libya this could lead to a Kurdish area perhaps looking to combine with northern Iraq, the logic (?) after would be pressure to create a greater Kurdistan, after all, the Arab "nations" were only created post WW1. A shift would wobble the politics in the region and push Iran to the fringe. The turks also realise that EU membership will probably not happen and so have turned back to the ME.

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                  Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  Turkey will recognize the Armenian Genocide before Israel will...
                  Spot on.

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                    Re: Turkey suspends Israel defence and trade ties, Israel and recognition of the Geno

                    Originally posted by LadyLazarus View Post
                    This step on Turkey's part seems excessive and oddly-timed (on the surface). I think it's safe to assume that if Turkey was that upset over the flotilla raid (involving the deaths of pro-Palestinian activits), which I believe took place in the summer of 2010, they wouldn't have waited to act 'till the UN inquiry resulted in an official report. According to CNN, in addition to all of the above, Turkey is also filing against Israel with the ICJ (International Court of Justice)...Intuitively, Turkey's actions seem like a politically motivated preemptive strike. My question to those of you more knowledgeable in near eastern politics is this: what is Turkey's real motive behind all of these actions? what do they hope to convey to the diplomatic world or achieve politically? (I wouldn't think it can be as simple as using this incident to announce its more... shall we say "islamified" ...stance to the world)
                    Short answer? the Gaza flottila was a a setup (a trojan Horse if you will). Turkey gains many favors in Muslim countries to beat Iran out of the plight of the Pals.....To Israel a strong ally in ME is a must. Time will tell if Israeli/Turkish relations will really be compromised regardless of all the theatrics and drama queen news fest. Good cop bad cop technic?

                    you say Islamified, maybe but is Erdogan really an Islamist? B0SKURT sounds better my dear lady.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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