Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

    Turkey said today it would escort aid ships to Gaza and would not allow a repetition of last year's Israeli raid that killed nine Turks, setting the stage for a potential naval confrontation with its former ally.

    Raising the stakes in Turkey's row with Israel over its refusal to apologise for the killings, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Al Jazeera television that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources in the Mediterranean.

    "Turkish warships, in the first place, are authorised to protect our ships that carry humanitarian aid to Gaza," Erdogan said in the interview, broadcast by Al Jazeera with an Arabic translation.

    "From now on, we will not let these ships to be attacked by Israel, as what happened with the Freedom Flotilla," Erdogan said.

    Referring to Erdogan's comments, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said: "This is a statement well-worth not commenting on."

    Relations between Turkey and Israel, two close US allies in the region, have soured since Israeli forces boarded the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara aid ship in May 2010.

    Ankara downgraded ties and vowed to boost naval patrols in the eastern Mediterranean in the escalating row. Israel says it acted legally against ships that tried to breach its blockade on the Palestinian enclave which is ruled by the Islamist Hamas group.

    Israel has said it will enforce the blockade, which it says is needed to prevent arms smuggling to Hamas.

    Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said earlier today that Israel and Turkey will eventually mend fences rather than become foes, describing their unprecedented dispute over Gaza as "spilled milk".

    Noting that an inquiry commissioned by United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had vindicated the blockade, Barak predicted that wider Middle East upheaval would help bring Israel back together with its Muslim ex-ally.

    "Ultimately this wave will pass. We recognise reality. They recognise reality," Barak told Israel Radio.

    "We are the two countries that are most important to the West in the region ... I am certain that we can overcome these (disagreements)."

    But Erdogan appeared to raise the heat, saying NATO member Turkey has taken steps to patrol the Mediterranean, and vowed to stop the xxxish state from exploiting natural resources in the area.

    "You know that Israel has begun to declare that it has the right to act in exclusive economic areas in the Mediterranean," Erdogan said, apparently in reference to Israeli plans to exploit offshore gas reserves found in areas that are also claimed by Lebanon.

    "You will see that it will not be the owner of this right, because Turkey, as a guarantor of the Turkish republic of north Cyprus, has taken steps in the area, and it will be decisive and holding fast to the right to monitor international waters in the east Mediterranean," he said.

    Turkey says oil deals granted by the Greek Cypriot government, which represents the island in the European Union, are illegal as the borders of Cyprus remain undetermined while Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots pursue reunification talks.

    Turkey's plan to flex its naval muscles may fuel Western unease about Turkey's reliability as a NATO partner and its penchant for actions designed to court popularity in the Muslim world.

    Asked whether Israel might yet say sorry for the seizure of the Turkish vessel, Barak said: "Look, it's spilled milk. It's not important right now."

    In addition to an apology, NATO-member Turkey has demanded that Israel end the Gaza blockade. Israel says the closure is needed to keep arms from reaching Palestinian guerrillas by sea.

    "A normalisation or improvement in Turkey-Israel relationships shouldn't be expected unless they apologise, pay a compensation and lift an embargo on Gaza," Erdogan said.


  • #2
    Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

    Whilst Erdogan is clearly blowing smoke and this spat smacks of competing geostrategic intrests in the Eastern Mediterranean. The question is will Israel roll over and tolerate the presence of Turkish warships in it's waters?

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

      Originally posted by retro View Post
      Whilst Erdogan is clearly blowing smoke and this spat smacks of competing geostrategic intrests in the Eastern Mediterranean. The question is will Israel roll over and tolerate the presence of Turkish warships in it's waters?
      Doubt that very much. It'll be interesting to see how far this "game" goes, turkish ships to the edge of territorial waters and then?

      Personally, I would prefer to see the turk ships splattered, an interesting scenario if israel attacks a NATO member. A plague on both their houses.
      Last edited by hrai; 09-08-2011, 10:01 PM.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

        Originally posted by hrai View Post
        Doubt that very much. It'll be interesting to see how far this "game" goes, turkish ships to the edge of territorial waters and then?
        Whilst Turkey is clearly trying to assert it's self in Eastern Mediterranean. Maybe the Israelis will fire a couple a shells and the Turks will reverse course.

        Originally posted by hrai View Post
        Personally, I would prefer to see the turk ships splattered, an interesting scenario if israel attacks a NATO member. A plague on both their houses.
        Well with friends like the Israelis and Turks who needs enemies. Who knows maybe they will take each other to the bottom of the deep blue sea?

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

          Originally posted by hrai View Post
          Doubt that very much. It'll be interesting to see how far this "game" goes, turkish ships to the edge of territorial waters and then?

          Personally, I would prefer to see the turk ships splattered, an interesting scenario if israel attacks a NATO member. A plague on both their houses.
          Amen. In any case, it's wildly entertaining to watch this play out. Better than any soap op. out there, let me tell ya! Hehe

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

            Greece Warns Turkey over Cyprus

            Vice President of the Greek Government Theodoros Pangalos has assured that Greece will support the Republic of Cyprus and that any attack against Cyprus would be considered an attack against Greece.

            Addressing the Hellenic Parliament and sending a message to Turkey regarding its threats concerning explorations in Cyprus` exclusive economic zone, Pangalos said “Cyprus is an independent member of the UN and has the right to independently determine its interests, alone or in cooperation with other countries.“

            Christofias: Turkey’s threats against Cyprus call for vigilance

            President Demetris Christofias called for “vigilance and readiness” by the National Guard vis-a-vis “Turkish arrogance” and the threats by Ankara, aiming to intimidate Cyprus in order to abandon exploitation of hydrocarbon reserves in its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

            Speaking at the Presidential Palace this morning, during the ceremony of affirmation of the new Deputy Chief of the National Guard, Major General Andreas Petrides, the President said that Petrides assumes his duties during a very difficult time, while the Turkish occupation of a significant part of Cyprus still continues.

            “Turkish arrogance and the treats that are being made, in an effort to intimidate the Republic of Cyprus, aiming at dissuading the country from exploiting its EEZ, call for vigilance and readiness”, President Christofias said.
            (source: cna)

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

              Originally posted by hrai View Post
              Doubt that very much. It'll be interesting to see how far this "game" goes, turkish ships to the edge of territorial waters and then?

              Personally, I would prefer to see the turk ships splattered, an interesting scenario if israel attacks a NATO member. A plague on both their houses.
              Yes, Turkey has every right to patrol in international waters and provide security for all the bleeding heart activists to Gaza, if Israel really got the balls lets see them do something about it.....I am with Turks on this one

              but Erdogan is just trying to get more buck out of his Flottila trap, he do nothing but bark, good politician.
              B0zkurt Hunter

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

                Sorry but I support Israelis over Turks in this one. I will support almost any country in the world over Turkey, even if the other country is at fault. Though I of course support Palestinian independent state.
                Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
                ---
                "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

                  Originally posted by Mos View Post
                  Sorry but I support Israelis over Turks in this one. I will support almost any country in the world over Turkey, even if the other country is at fault. Though I of course support Palestinian independent state.
                  You are looking in the wrong direction.

                  This tension is not about Palestinians.
                  Its about oil, energy resources.

                  Nothing else.

                  This situation will only defuse if Turkey has its finger in the pie or militarily rebuffed.


                  .
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Turkish warships raise stakes in Israel row

                    Originally posted by Mos View Post
                    Sorry but I support Israelis over Turks in this one. I will support almost any country in the world over Turkey, even if the other country is at fault. Though I of course support Palestinian independent state.
                    If there's to be a shooting war, best case scenario would be turkish ships sunk by israeli kamikazi pilots. I'd pay to see that.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    X