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  • #31
    Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

    Originally posted by HermanGerman View Post
    LA gangbangers fighting in Syria homie - Truthloader

    Armenian - "LA gangbangers fighting in Syria homie"

    What do you think, Truthloader or just xxxxloader?

    I do not think I would trust them to look after a chicken shed.

    PS Is this what Armenians become after a few years in the promised land ???
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests


    • #32
      Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

      Originally posted by londontsi View Post
      I do not think I would trust them to look after a chicken shed.

      PS Is this what Armenians become after a few years in the promised land ???
      Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the lack of trust to guard anything by these two disgraces.
      I seriously dought those two are representative of the Armenian community in the USA.
      From the standpoint of propaganda to defame & discredit the Armenians at large and the Assad forces though, this is a gem.
      It is unfortunate that each society produces such, but cannot be used to depict the general population.


      • #33
        Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

        Originally posted by londontsi View Post
        I do not think I would trust them to look after a chicken shed.

        PS Is this what Armenians become after a few years in the promised land ???
        Everyone else has been exporting their worst idiots to Syria for several years now, so L.A. Armenians are late arrivals on the scene.
        Plenipotentiary meow!


        • #34
          Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

          Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
          Everyone else has been exporting their worst idiots to Syria for several years now, so L.A. Armenians are late arrivals on the scene.
          LOL...Why not?


          • #35
            Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

            Originally posted by londontsi View Post
            I do not think I would trust them to look after a chicken shed.

            PS Is this what Armenians become after a few years in the promised land ???
            These loosers are not in Syria....they are in Mojave desert, CA.

            They don't even know how to shoot an AK and one of them had a hell of a jam.....on a gun that never jams, lol.
            B0zkurt Hunter


            • #36
              Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

              Has Kessab been liberated?
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              According to Asarez, the jihadist rebels have and al Qaeda-affiliated militants have withdrawn from Kessab.
              LATAKIA, Syria–Sources in and around the mainly-Armenian-populated town of Kessab indicate that the rebel and al Qaeda-affiliated militants, who seized the town in March through the Turkish border, have withdrawn from Kessab. The Aleppo-based Gandzasar newspaper is reporting that Syrian army forces have advance onto the city square and now control more than two-thirds of […]


              • #37
                Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

                The word on the ground is that the invaders are leaving town.....large Syrian force is preparing to enter the city.
                B0zkurt Hunter


                • #38
                  Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

                  Center for Research on Globalization, Canada
                  July 30 2014

                  Wiping Out the Christians of Syria and Iraq to Remap the Middle East:
                  Prerequisite to a Clash of Civilizations?

                  PART I

                  By Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya

                  Historically, the Levant is the birthplace of Christianity and the
                  oldest Christian communities have lived in it and the entire Fertile
                  Crescent since the start of Christian history. Early Christian called
                  themselves followers or people of «the Way» before they adopted the
                  term Christian; in Arabic their antiquated name would be «Ahl
                  Al-Deen». [1] Traces of this original name are also available in the
                  New Testament of the Bible and can be read in John 14:5-7, Acts 9:1-2,
                  Acts 24:4 and 14. From the Fertile Crescent these Christian
                  communities spread across Africa, Asia, and Europe. Since that time
                  the ancient communities of Christians, many of which still use the
                  Syriac dialects of Aramaic in their churches, have been an integral
                  and important part of the social fabrics of the pluralistic societies
                  of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. Nevertheless,
                  the Christians of the Levant and Iraq are now in the crosshairs.

                  Deceit and mischief has been at play. It is no coincidence that
                  Egyptian Christians were attacked at the same time as the South Sudan
                  Referendum, which was supposed to signal a split between the Muslims
                  in Khartoum and the Christians and animists in Juba. Nor is it an
                  accident that Iraq's Christian, one of the oldest Christian
                  communities in the world, began to face a modern exodus, leaving their
                  homes and ancestral homeland in Iraq in 2003. Mysterious groups
                  targeted both them and Palestinian refugees¦

                  Coinciding with the exodus of Iraqi Christians, which occurred under
                  the watchful eyes of US and British military forces, the neighborhoods
                  in Baghdad became sectarian as Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims were
                  forced by violence and death squads to form sectarian enclaves. This
                  is all tied to a US and Israeli project of redrawing the map.

                  The Christian communities of the Levant and Iraq have long distrusted
                  the US government for its support of Israel, the Kingdom of Saudi
                  Arabia, and fanatical militants with anti-Christian leanings.
                  Lebanon's Christians have also been weary of US support for Israeli
                  expansion and ideas about resettling Palestinians into Lebanon. There
                  is also a widely held belief that the US and Israel have been involved
                  in a policy to remove or «purge» the Christians from Iraq and the
                  Levant in some type of Zionist-linked resettlement plan. Since the
                  US-supported anti-government fighters started targeting Christian
                  Syrians, there has been renewed talk about a Christian exodus in the
                  Middle East centering on Washington's war on Syria.

                  Silencing the Ancient Church Bells of Sham and Shinar

                  Christian Arabs and both the Assyrian and Armenian ethnic communities,
                  which are overwhelming composed of Christian, inside Lebanon and Syria
                  have been in the crosshairs. From Homs and Maaloula to Kessab, Syria's
                  Christians have been under siege. Various ecclesiastic councils or
                  synods have expressed concerns as have Ecumenical Patriarch of
                  Constantinople Bartholomew I, the Vatican or Holy See, Russian
                  Orthodox Patriarch of Moscow Cyril (Kirill) I, Armenian Apostolic
                  Catholicos Aram I, the Maronite Greek Catholic Patriarchate in
                  Lebanon, Jerusalemite Greek Orthodox Archbishop Theodosios (Attallah)
                  Hanna of Sebastia, the Anglican See of Canterbury, Armenian President
                  Serzh Sargsyan, Lebanese President Michel Suleiman, the Free Patriotic
                  Movement of Lebanon's Michel Aoun, the World Council of Churches, and
                  various interfaith bodies. Even US celebrities Cherilyn Sarkisian
                  (Cher) and Kimberly Kardashian joined the chorus and voiced their
                  concerns about Syria's Christians after the Turkish government
                  perfidiously helped Al-Nusra overrun the predominately Armenian town
                  of Kessab in Lattakia Governate on March 24, 2014. [2]

                  Inside Syria, Maronite Greek Catholic Archbishop of Damascus Samir
                  Nassar, Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch Gregory III Laham, Antiochian
                  Greek Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius IV, and Syriac Orthodox Patriarch
                  Ignatius Zakka I Iwas have all condemned the violence. The leaders of
                  Syria's other faiths, Druze Sheikh Al-Aql Hamoud Hennawi, Sunni Grand
                  Mufti Ahmed Badreddin, and Ashari Imam Mohammed Said Ramadan, have
                  joined the Christian leaders in their calls for peace and
                  condemnations of Washington's war on Syria. These leaders have risked
                  their lives and the lives of their loved ones by taking these
                  positions. Sheikh Ramadan, who was also an ethnic Kurd, was murdered
                  while he was teaching in a mosque for his backing of the Syrian
                  government on March 21, 2013. Patriarch Ignatius IV had his brother
                  kidnapped in Aleppo whereas Grand Mufti Hassoun had his twenty-two
                  year-old son murdered on his way to university in Idlib. Despite the
                  threats, all these figures have spoken against the insurgency as a
                  cancerous threat to coexistence in Syrian society and the broader
                  region. Melkite Patriarch Gregory III Laham has very vocally said that
                  his country is being attacked by bandits and terrorists under the
                  fiction of a revolution that seek to destroy the Christians and all
                  Syria. [3]

                  The Christian communities of Syria, which constitute at least 10% of
                  the Syrian population, have been systematically targeted; their
                  churches have been attached and desecrated; their priests, monks, and
                  nuns murdered; and generally discriminated against by the
                  anti-government forces that the US, UK, France, Israel, Saudi Arabia,
                  Qatar, Turkey, and their allies support. The objectives of
                  establishing this exodus are reflected by the anti-government chants:
                  «Alawites to the ground and Christians to Lebanon!» What this chant
                  means is that Syria is no longer a place where either Alawis or
                  Christians can live.

                  America's Foot Soldiers and the Rape of Christians in Syria and Iraq

                  Fides News Agency, the official news agency of the Vatican and the
                  Roman Catholic Church, has reported that the so-called religious
                  leaders of the anti-government fighters declared it lawful for the
                  anti-government fighters to rape «any non-Sunni Syrian woman» that
                  they desired; the declarations of these corrupt pastors have been used
                  to justify the rape, humiliation, torture, and murder of women and
                  girls in towns and territory captured by groups like the so-called
                  Free Syrian Army, Jabhat Al-Nusra, and the so-called Islamic State of
                  Iraq and the Levant/Al-Dawlah Al-Islamiyah fi Al-Iraq wa Al-Sham
                  (ISIL/DAISH). [4]

                  Here is the account given to the Fides News Agency by two priests
                  about what was done to one fifteen year-old Syrian Christian girl in
                  Homs Governate after the anti-government fighters took control of it:

                  The commander of the battalion «Jabhat al-Nusra» in Qusair took
                  Mariam, married and raped her. Then he repudiated her. The next day
                  the young woman was forced to marry another Islamic militant. He also
                  raped her and then repudiated her. The same trend was repeated for 15
                  days, and Mariam was raped by 15 different men. This psychologically
                  destabilized her and made her insane. Mariam, became mentally unstable
                  and was eventually killed. These atrocities are not told by any
                  «International Commission» say to Fides two Greek-Catholic priests,
                  Fr. Issam and Fr. Elias who have just returned to town. [5]

                  These same US-supported multinational insurgent groups have begun to
                  do this to Iraqi Christians too. «On June 12, [2014,] only two day
                  after capturing Mosul and other territories in Iraq, the Islamic State
                  of Iraq and Syria issued a decree ordering the people to send their
                  unmarried women to `jihad by sex'» and made a decree ordering that
                  unmarried women sexually be offered to their fighters for fornication.
                  [6] The following account, which was confirmed by the Iraqi High
                  Commission for Human Rights and reported by the Assyrian International
                  News Agency, deals with Mosul after its takeover by the
                  insurrectionary forces entering Iraq from Syria on June 25, 2014:

                  A Christian father who watched his wife and daughter get brutally
                  raped by members of the militant group, Islamic State of Iraq and
                  Syria (ISIS) because he couldn't pay them a poll tax in Mosul, Iraq,
                  killed himself under the weight of the trauma this past weekend. [7]

                  The molestation and rape of Christian women and girls as sex objects
                  has not been limited to Christians alone. Syrian women and girls,
                  regardless of their faiths, that have been captured by the
                  anti-government forces are being raped and molested. Muslims,
                  Christians, and Druze are all equally at risk. These perverted acts
                  are being encouraged by corrupt clerics issuing legal opinions and
                  decrees (fatwas) that support rape and womanizing.

                  These twisted legal opinions and decrees being issued include calls
                  for foreign women to become concubines to the anti-government fighters
                  in Syria in what is disgracefully called a «sexual holy struggle»
                  (jihad al-nikah). The Tunisian government was even prompted to react
                  in mid-2013 to these calls for sexual offering, because they were
                  exploiting young Tunisian girls. [8] Tunisian Minister of Religious
                  Affairs Noureddine Al-Khadimi condemned the corrupt and ignorant
                  clerics and individuals behind the calls, insisting that they had
                  nothing to do with Muslim teachings:

                  The minister's statements came after the spread of an anonymous
                  «sexual jihad» fatwa on the Internet calling on young women to support
                  opposition fighters in Syria by providing sexual services. According
                  to media reports and mujahideen who returned to Tunisia after
                  participating in jihad in Syria, 13 Tunisian girls headed to the
                  battlefield in response to the «sexual jihad» fatwa. [9]

                  «After the sexual liaisons they have [in Syria] in the name of `jihad
                  al-nikah' ' (sexual holy war, in Arabic) ' [these girls] come home
                  pregnant», Tunisian Interior Minister Lotfi bin Jeddou testified to
                  Tunisian legislators months after Al-Khadimi's condemnations,
                  explaining that the misguided girls could have over a hundred
                  partners. [10]

                  Targeting Bishops, Priests, Monks, and Nuns: Besieging the People of «The Way»

                  Since the start of the fighting, Christian spiritual figures have been
                  targeted in one way or another. There are the cases of Greek Orthodox
                  Archbishop Sayedna Paul (Boulos) Yazigi and Syriac Orthodox
                  Metropolitan Mar Gregorios John Abraham (Yohanna Ibrahim), which were
                  kidnapped near the Turkish border, on April 22, 2013. Their driver, a
                  Christian priest himself, was killed instantly for protecting the two
                  Christian metropolitans by refusing to let them leave their car. A
                  fourth person in the car, Fouad Eliya, managed to remain free (and
                  explain what happened). [11]

                  The Turkish government is directly involved in the kidnapping of the
                  two Orthodox Christian bishops. The Turkish newswire Dogan News Agency
                  (Dogan Haber Ajansı) reported on July 23, 2013 that the murders or,
                  using the report's words, «assassins» of the two Syrian bishops were
                  arrested in Konya. [12] The arrest happened to be of anti-Russian
                  fighters from the North Caucasus, which corresponded to Foud Eliya's
                  account that Boulos Yazigi and Yohanna Ibrahim were taken by North
                  Caucasian militants dressed like Taliban fighters from Afghanistan.

                  Grand Mufti Hassoun revealed that Turkish-trained Chechen fighters
                  were dispatched by Ankara to kidnap Sayedna Boulos Yazigi and Mar
                  Gregorios, because of two important reasons. According to Sheikh
                  Hassoun, the first reason is that Metropolitan Gregorios was asked by
                  Syriac Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius Zakka I Iwas to head a church
                  committee to begin the process of reclaiming the vast holdings of the
                  Syriac Orthodox Church that the Turkish government had confiscated
                  during its persecution of Syriac Orthodox Christians. [14]

                  In a meeting between Prime Minister Erdogan and Mar Gregorios, the
                  Turkish government asked that the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch
                  establish a eparchy (an ecclesiastical province or administrative
                  division of the church with a metropolitan) in Turkey and to even
                  relocate its patriarchate from Damascus to Hatay (Antioch), but
                  Gregorios Yohanna Ibrahim refused and said that the patriarchate of
                  the Syriac Orthodox Church will never change locations, that Syriac
                  Orthodox Christians recognized the Levant as one unified land, and
                  that a bishop would be assigned to Turkey when the Syriac Orthodox
                  Church's properties were returned by the Turkish government, which
                  angered Turkish officials. [15] The other reason that the Orthodox
                  Christian cleric was targeted was that he was reconciling
                  anti-government fighters peacefully with the Syrian government in
                  Aleppo Governate, which upset Turkey and its allies. [16]

                  Other cases include those of: Father (Abouna) Fadi Jamal Haddad, a
                  Antiochian Greek Orthodox priest acting as a mediator in Qatana during
                  the fighting, who was tortured and shot in the head after he tried to
                  mediate the release of a doctor that was being ransomed for money;
                  Father (Abouna) Francois Al-Mourad, a Catholic priest of the
                  Franciscan Order, who was shot for preventing fellow Christians and
                  Syrians from being hurt by the anti-government fighters; and Father
                  Frans van der Lugt, a Dutch priest of the Jesuit Order working in
                  Homs. When Abouna Fadi went to pay the insurgents for the doctor they
                  had abducted, they kidnapped him too; they would later kill the
                  Christian priests and leave him on the side of the highway, «horribly
                  tortured and [with] his eyes gouged out», where his body would be
                  found on September 25, 2012. [17]

                  According to the Franciscan Order's representatives in Syria, the
                  insurgents «broke into the convent, looted it and destroyed
                  everything. When Fr. FranÒ«ois tried to defend the nuns and other
                  people, the gunmen shot him dead» on June 23, 2013. [18]

                  The insurgents murdered Father Frans van der Lugt on April 7,
                  2014.This an account of the circumstances behind his murder:

                  Wael Salibi, 26, recalled how when the Christian area in Homs was
                  taken over by rebels, 66,000 of the faithful «left their home, and
                  just few of them stayed there. He was the only priest, he stayed in
                  his church.»

                  continued in next post..
                  Hayastan or Bust.


                  • #39
                    Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

                    «Just months before he died, he said `I can't leave my people, I can't
                    leave my church, I am director of this church, how can I leave them?'»
                    Salibi told CNA on April 11.

                    Salibi, who hails from the now-ravished city of Homs, grew up as a
                    close friend and pupil of Fr. Frans, who was brutally killed on April
                    7. Days before his 76th birthday, an unknown gunman entered his
                    church, beat him and shot him in the head. [19]

                    In Hasakah (Hasce) many of the Christian Syrians fled, but almost
                    30,000 stayed as internal refugees. The Syrian Christians who belonged
                    to the Chaldean Catholic Church, Syriac Orthodox Church, Syriac
                    Catholic Church, Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church, and the Armenian
                    Catholic Church collectively asked the world for help and to put an
                    end to the fighting, in an appeal that went unheard, in late-2012;
                    they have suffered from persecution, lawlessness, kidnappings,
                    ransoms, and murder. One Christian from the area told Fides News
                    Agency that Al-Nusra was targeting «all young people who were born
                    between 1990 and 1992. They look for them, accuse them of being
                    soldiers for the national service and kill them cold-bloodedly. They
                    want to terrorize young people to prevent them from enlisting.» [20]

                    Another example of the assault on the Christian community is
                    Al-Nusra's assault on the town of Maaloula. Maaloula is one of a few
                    villages maintaining an old dialect of Aramaic, known as the language
                    of Jesus of Nazareth. Many Christian structures and historic sites
                    fill the Syrian town, but the Melkite Greek Catholic Saint Sergius
                    (Mar Sarkis) Monastery and Antiochian Greek Orthodox Saint Thecla (Mar
                    Taqla) Monastery standout. The town became the scene of fighting
                    between Al-Nusra and the Syrian Arab Army and switched hands between
                    the insurgents and Syrian government four times between late-2013 and

                    Many of Maaloula's residents, both Christian and Muslim alike, became
                    trapped in their homes and local buildings, including forty Greek
                    Orthodox Christian nuns and the orphans they were looking after, which
                    sparked panic in the Christian populations of Syria and Lebanon. Hence
                    the strong backing of Bashar Al-Assad's government by all of Syria's
                    minorities and the expression of these type of sentiments were nearly
                    universal among Christian Syrians: «`They're coming after us,' [said]
                    Odette Abu Zakham, a 65-year-old woman in the congregation who lives
                    in the nearby historic Christian district of Bab Touma. `All they do
                    is massacre people, all they know is killing.'» [21] Not only were the
                    nuns held hostage by Al-Nusra, but the anti-government fighters
                    desecrated absolutely all of Maaloula's shrines and Christian
                    buildings, stole its historic artifacts to sell in the black market,
                    and scattered the partially Aramaic-speaking population of the town.
                    Eyewitnesses who escaped Maaloula give this account below:

                    [The insurgents] tried to change the religious and
                    architectural-historical look of the ancient Christian town entirely:
                    completely destroying some churches, the militants brought down all
                    bells from other ones. The fate of two other world-famous monuments of
                    Ma'loula was no less tragic: extremists blew up the statue of Christ
                    the Savior, which had stood at the entrance of St. Thecla Convent, as
                    well as the statue of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, which had stood close
                    to the Safir hotel, the latter of which served as the main shelter for
                    Takfirists for many months. [22]

                    Easter, in 2014 was a special time for Maaloula. Around Easter, the
                    Syrian government regained the town. Maaloula was finally secured and
                    residents were returning. «The display of hatred was clear ' the
                    houses are totally destroyed, the whole village was destroyed. I can't
                    describe the amount of damage to the village», a returning resident by
                    the name of Lorain told the press about what the insurgents did. [23]
                    President Al-Assad visited too. Al-Assad himself came to visit it as a
                    sign of the Syrian government's commitment to its entire population
                    regardless of their faith or ethnicity. Both the Western rite and
                    Eastern rite Christian celebrations of Easter, respectively using the
                    Gregorian and Julian calendars, fell on the same date too: April 20,
                    Hayastan or Bust.


                    • #40
                      Re: Recent events regarding Syria and Turkey

                      Independent Catholic News
                      July 31 2014

                      Syria: Three killed as missile hits Armenian Catholic Church

                      Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:46 pm

                      Yesterday afternoon a missile launched from areas of Aleppo controlled
                      by the rebels, fell into the grounds of the Armenian Catholic parish
                      of the Holy Trinity, in the district of al-Meydan, causing the death
                      of three Armenian adults, two sisters and a man.

                      The missile damaged a wall, a terrace of the rectory and broke the
                      windows of the church also causing damage to an altar where there is a
                      statue of the Virgin Mary from Marash, symbol city of the Armenian

                      "It was around 6.15pm and in that moment" said parish priest Fr
                      Joseph Bezouzou. "We were in church to celebrate daily Mass. If the
                      missile had fallen at the exit of the Mass, it would have been a
                      massacre. We thank the Lord".

                      The parish had organized a gathering of young people next weekend, to
                      give the young people a break from the terrible tension they are
                      living under, but Fr Joseph said: "We have decided to postpone
                      everything because after what happened you cannot expose young people
                      to new risks.

                      "On Sunday, after Mass, we will plant an olive tree in the place where
                      the missile fell. This is our only response to the bombs and violence
                      that for years have tried to devastate our lives".

                      Source: Fides

                      Yesterday afternoon a missile launched from areas of Aleppo controlled by the rebels, fell into the grounds of the Armenian Catholic parish of the Holy Trinity, in the district of al-Meydan, causing the death of three Armenian adults, two sisters and a man. The missile damaged a...
                      Hayastan or Bust.