Ukraine

[gokorik]

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NATO: Russia now an adversary.

"Clearly the Russians have declared NATO as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner," said Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of NATO.

http://news.yahoo.com/nato-official-...-politics.html

Russia now an adversary...

If NATO is stating that Russia is an adversary then they are stating that Armenia is an adversary by default...(CSTO) Our brothers are an adversary of the Unites states of America, the E.U. and few others.
The cold war is back... and were apart of the enemy.

[Merv]

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Western racists thinks that Russian and pro-Russian (Ukrainian, Serbian, Ossetian, and maybe some day Armenian?) lives are worthless and worthy being destroyed. That's why their media has lied about these events, blaming the victims and accusing them of being snipers and throwing Molotov xxxxtails. The video recordings we have show something entirely different.

Pro-Kiev Ukrainian teenage girls preparing Molotov xxxxtails to throw at pro-Russians.



Here these morons are breaking up pavement (in a city built by Russians) to use as projectiles.

[Hakob]

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If NATO is stating that Russia is an adversary then they are stating that Armenia is an adversary by default...(CSTO) Our brothers are an adversary of the Unites states of America, the E.U. and few others.
The cold war is back... and were apart of the enemy.

This has been in the works in washington and brussels for many years. Now a pre 1940 scenario can be repeated. West in deep recession and the war and conflict wiping out the financial crisis and bringing prosperity to victors. This time the enemy will be Russia.
The mood in west is earringly similar to pre 1940. General indifference for the suffering and murder of millions abroad. Then when real hostilities break out, an ultimate polarization of population into war machine.
I guess, the rotshield descendent's blubbering in New Yourk a few years ago about "populations are very dispensable for global financial domination" is the plan and in works. God help Armenia. We have lost soo much in both wars. The 3rd could be no exception.

[Merv]

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Watch this video:

It shows how German and Turkish interests colluded in the Armenian genocide. The main prize is still the Middle East, specifically Mesopotamia, the Levant, the Persian gulf. That's why we had Iraq, Syria, Iran, Georgia. The continued attacks on Russia are part of a continued Anglo-American plot to block Russian access to the Mediterranean by neutralizing Russia on the Black Sea. In the shadows Germany looks for her chance to penetrate deep into the Middle East via a weakened Russia and a puppet Turkey that will give Germany unbridled access to the economic wealth east of Turkey, which would also free Germany of dependance on Russia fossil fuels and thus enable a final Napoleon-Hitler style assault on the land of the Untermenschen and Lebensraum.

[Hakob]

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Now, some prowest fanatics should open up their eyes and see that all the B/S of euro association and orange revolutions was not about democracy at all.
The juntas since 1970's in Chile and elsewhere have been a Washington means of extending control.
I have said it. In 19th century they pretended to bring civilization, now they use the "democracy" to bring enslavement and chaos in order to control for plundering.
If this was about democracy in Ukraine then west should have been first to call for and force a dialog between prorussians and nationalists. Instead they tried with any means to cut dialog and push sometimes unwilling Kiev government into military action.
What is the lesson for us? Time is near that we should put aside all our differences and gather around our government in any decision and action it takes, and be ready for war.
Azeris are not going to seat much longer. As soon as russia gets mired in Ukraine, a second front is going to open up with the blessing of our "western partners".

[Hakob]

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In lew of latest azeri statements of none confidence on US representative in minsk group, it is evident that baku is prepared for the flip flop, sensing that minsk group can be none existent in very near future. So no harm in fake actions creating impression that this group is still important and to confuse adversary more. US silence or mild reaction speaks volumes too.
Baku knows, where true support for restarting the war will come.
It is our job to see all clear and prepare.

[Hakob]

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Powers in west know that more Russia is pushed into corner, more autoritarian and nationalistic it becomes. This in turn could frighten and push away it's closest allies, mainly Kazakhistan and Belarus.
So the eurasian union will be scratched up. Then Isolation can be achieved easly if Russia's partners will hasitate to get involved in open conflict with west.
The problem is, for us, even hugging wests knees will not help. There is no plan of prosperous and independent Armenia in west because it is very hard to incorporate that in west's relation to turkish/azery tandem. Maximum we can hope for is a tiny republic, carved from current teritory just to keep a small foothold.
So this conflict has big ramifications for us. It is very important that in any case, we be ready to fight for life or death, for whatever form russia remains afterwards, it still will be a guarantee for us left in final trade off. If even US is successfull, it still has a vested interest with russia in containing turkish expansion.
The other scenario is Russia succeding in establishing and defending it's geopolitical sphere very firmly, and ending wests expansion in a new order. Then we have a hope of even expanding our borders with azeris.
In any case we have to be an impossible to crack nut for azeris and possibly for turks too.

[lampron]

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Why does NATO ignore Russia's proposal to make Ukraine a neutral country? Unless the plan is to isolate Russia and control the oil fields from Azerbaijan to kazakhstan

We have seen in Yugoslavia that NATO's form of democratic debate is to say "Either you do as I say, or I'll bomb you!"

[Hakob]

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It's Not Russia That's Pushed Ukraine To The Brink Of War



Seumas Milne
The Guardian, Wednesday 30 April 2014 16.01 EDT


'The reality is that after two decades of Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit … '
The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry brands Russia a rogue state. The US and the European Union step up sanctions against the Kremlin, accusing it of destabilising Ukraine. The White House is reported to be set on a new cold war policy with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

Putin bit back, taking a leaf out of the US street-protest playbook – even though, as in Kiev, the protests that spread from Crimea to eastern Ukraine evidently have mass support. But what had been a glorious cry for freedom in Kiev became infiltration and insatiable aggression in Sevastopol and Luhansk.

After Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, the bulk of the western media abandoned any hint of even-handed coverage. So Putin is now routinely compared to Hitler, while the role of the fascistic right on the streets and in the new Ukrainian regime has been airbrushed out of most reporting as Putinist propaganda.

So you don't hear much about the Ukrainian government's veneration of wartime Nazi collaborators and pogromists, or the arson attacks on the homes and offices of elected communist leaders, or the integration of the extreme Right Sector into the national guard, while the anti-semitism and white supremacism of the government's ultra-nationalists is assiduously played down, and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.

But the dangers are also multiplying. Ukraine has shown itself to be barely a functioning state: the former government was unable to clear Maidan, and the western-backed regime is "helpless" against the protests in the Soviet-nostalgic industrial east. For all the talk about the paramilitary "green men" (who turn out to be overwhelmingly Ukrainian), the rebellion also has strong social and democratic demands: who would argue against a referendum on autonomy and elected governors?

Meanwhile, the US and its European allies impose sanctions and dictate terms to Russia and its proteges in Kiev, encouraging the military crackdown on protesters after visits from Joe Biden and the CIA director, John Brennan. But by what right is the US involved at all, incorporating under its strategic umbrella a state that has never been a member of Nato, and whose last elected government came to power on a platform of explicit neutrality? It has none, of course – which is why the Ukraine crisis is seen in such a different light across most of the world. There may be few global takers for Putin's oligarchic conservatism and nationalism, but Russia's counterweight to US imperial expansion is welcomed, from China to Brazil.

In fact, one outcome of the crisis is likely to be a closer alliance between China and Russia, as the US continues its anti-Chinese "pivot" to Asia. And despite growing violence, the cost in lives of Russia's arms-length involvement in Ukraine has so far been minimal compared with any significant western intervention you care to think of for decades.

The risk of civil war is nevertheless growing, and with it the chances of outside powers being drawn into the conflict. Barack Obama has already sent token forces to eastern Europe and is under pressure, both from Republicans and Nato hawks such as Poland, to send many more. Both US and British troops are due to take part in Nato military exercises in Ukraine this summer.

The US and EU have already overplayed their hand in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor the western powers may want to intervene directly, and the Ukrainian prime minister's conjuring up of a third world war presumably isn't authorised by his Washington sponsors. But a century after 1914, the risk of unintended consequences should be obvious enough – as the threat of a return of big-power conflict grows. Pressure for a negotiated end to the crisis is essential.

[gokorik]

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'The reality is that after two decades of Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit.

I couldn't agree more. Great article.
John McCain's trip to Kiev must have had alarms bells ringing in Moscow. The nerve this guy has to go destabilize an already unstable situation. I understand his intentions are "democratic" but there a lot of different ways to achieve that, of which he rarely pursues.