Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

[Armenian]

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Siamanto, you just turned a single line comment regarding Dashnaks into endless paragraphs of unfair rant and rave… Why?? What you did was nothing like criticism, in my opinion… And you are a party agnostic?? Your severe obsession (and some others) over Dashnaks is just breathtaking…It's neither healthy nor fair, Siamanto.

Thank you for calling it as is, Lucin.

As you can see it's obvious obsession, not to mention a "personal" matter for him as well. His anti-Dashnak rhetoric has been quite shallow. Actually, it's typical of the Ramgavar/AGBU/Communist/Hnchak type old farts from the Middle East who can't bare the thought of the ARF actually being a leading political/social force within the Armenian nation. Since the aforementioned organizations did not mount to much in Armenian politics, he is too embarrassed to refer to them in comparison. So, he says he is non-political... Yeah, right. However, I still don't understand why Siamanto continues to act like a mosquito, but, if you recall, it started when he attempted to reveal his intellectual prowess by trying to define who and what "Western" means...

I'm 100% with you with this one.
Also, would like to add one thing that most Armenian political parties are infested with freemason. I know first hand in this matter, in Lebanon I was encouraged to become freemason member by few Tashnag high ranked members (Gomideyi antam)

Enker, if you read my comments about the ARF you will see that I don't make them out to be perfect angels. When one is on the very forefront of Armenian politics and society, as the ARF been for so many decades during the most difficult periods of Armenian history, one is bound to make mistakes. Of course there are Freemasons amongst them, where aren't there any? There are crooks, criminals and foreign agents amongst them as well. There are also crooks, criminals and foreign agents in all entities on earth - from the Vatican to Washington DC. So, lets put in in perspective, be objective, and not erase the monumental work the party has done overall.

However, being a Freemason per say does not really translate to much. For the most part, its just a big boys club where over the hill wannabes get together and kill time. Most often, these individuals that join the Freemasons claim to do so to bring into it an Armenian presence which they claim is very lacking. I have known many Freemasons in my life, my close friends father is one and so is my "Hnchak" uncle. However ideologically wrong and naive they may be these people don't pose a real danger to anything.

The Freemasonry is a very vast network comprised of many impenetrable levels and secret societies, similar to other exclusive "clubs" around the world. What you must worry about are the super "elites" of Freemasonry, who in essence are the political and financial elites on the Western world.

And this whole mess is f***ing ridicules. I told that moron to start his thread about the ARF and act as stupid as he can instead of ruing this thread with his obsessive rants.

[skhara]

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I am pretty sure that Siamanto is a she. I don't like this internal argumentation is this great thread.

[Kalanavor]

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Just who are these individuals that call themselves “Dashnaks” and claim to be the spokesman for Armenian interests?

Lets look at the facts:

1)Christapor Mikaelyan, one of the founding members of the ARF, was a freemason.
2)Aram Manukian, a leading ARF member, was a freemason.
3)The Dashnaks are the reason why Armenians currently have two catholicoses, and, even after the fall of the Soviet Union, continues to keep the church split and runs the Kilician Church as a money-making machine to fund its activities in Armenia.
4)Presently, the “Catholicos of All Dashnaks” Aram I of the House of Kilikia is a high-ranking freemason.
5)The ARF is a member of the Socialist International, an internationalist, Zionist organization whose declared aim is to “eliminate (Armenia’s) traditions and conservative customs.”
6)The ARF has remained quiet while the authorities have arrested and imprisoned patriots like Jirayr Sefilyan and Vartan Malkhasyan-hardline nationalists who set up a group opposed to any territorial concessions to Azerbaijan. Moreover, the ARF might actually have played a role in those arrests.

[Kalanavor]

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One last thing: there is but one organization that serves the purpose of defending the Armenian nation, and that's called the National Army of the Republic of Armenia. If all you big-talking Armenians in the various countries of the world are so patriotic, go enlist in the Armenian army, pick up the Kalashnikov, and serve your nation.

[Sip]

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I am pretty sure that Siamanto is a she.

... and the fun goes on!!!! I love this place.

[skhara]

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Enough of the crap already. Back to the topic which is Iran.

Lets see if this works:

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1514wmv&ak=null

[Sip]

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"My message to the Iranian people is, you can do better than this current government," he said. "You don't have to be isolated. You don't have to be in a position where you can't realize your full economic potential."

I rarely like what Bush has to say but in this case, I have to say I agree with him 100%.

[Sip]

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Enough of the crap already. ...

Yah, no kidding. There is at least 2 other threads in which Siamanto's he or she-ness has been discussed ad-nauseam. But if she is a she, I can only conclude that she enjoys the confusion since she has chosen this particular nickname to post on this forum. But who cares if she is a he, she, or a gay?

[Siamanto]

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I don't like this internal argumentation is this great thread.

I agree that it is unfortunate; as a matter of fact, not long ago, I have posted the message below - check the sections in bold. Unfortunately, Armenian's divisive practices and false party propaganda continued. To be honest, I started to think that, after all, it may not be that unfortunate because the thick headed psychotic bully that Armenian is needs to get the message loud and clear.

Armenians respect/support the ASALA mainly because the organization in question struck terror in the hearts of the enemy, the Turds.

Are you sure that they enjoyed respect and support? When? How? What percentage of Armenians? Just curious, how well do you know the history of Hay Tad during the last decades and/or what happened to the members of the ASALA?

However, most serious Armenians think that some of the operations performed by ASALA were counterproductive to its stated goals. The actions of ASALA were manipulated by the KGB and thus lead astray. Due to their Bolshevik affiliations ASALA was made to conduct operations within western nations and, as a result, they ended up killing innocent non-Turks. The aforementioned was primarily the reason why western intelligence agencies began to conduct counter-terror operations against ASALA. At the time, the only group that stayed true to its goals was the Justice Commandos of the ARF for they conducted operations exclusively against Turdish targets.

Armenian,
In the recent past, our community has suffered from internal conflicts that could have been avoided and that will, hopefully, be avoided in the future. It is sad to see that, instead of letting the past heal itself, your are spreading false rumors about the ASALA as if it would explain and justify the wrongdoing of the ARF?

1- It is absurd to state that the ASALA was manipulated by KGB; at least, not directly. As for "indirect manipulation," it can only be pure speculation or as "direct???" - and absurd - as the influence of the full moon.
Furthermore, the ASALA, besides a core, had many "satellites" - individuals or organizations - with different views of Marxism and "armed struggle"

2- Until the Artsakh war, the ARF limited itself to
2.1 Pressuring and oppressing the new generation of young Armenians willing to fight for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide using moral and physical humiliations, including life threats. Such threats happened mainly in France, Iran and Lebanon. Such threats were not limited to members of the ASALA and even included young Dashnags.
(For the record, before the 80s, the three above mentioned communities were the main poles of the Armenian Diaspora.)
2.2 Following an "opportunistic" policy that lead to a close cooperation with the same Zionist J-e-w-s and conservative Americans that you so vehemently decry
3- Many believe that the "Justice Commandos" was a dummy unit in order to stop the "internal bleeding" - i.e. keeping the younger members - and/or make claims - such as you are doing - of having contributed to the rebirth of the Hay Tad during the 1960-1990 period.

I think that it would be advisable to let the past heal itself and refrain from getting into more details because they can only tarnish the image of the ARF.

[Siamanto]

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Actually, it's typical...old farts

I'm an old fart and you stink? God works in mysterious ways!