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  • Re: Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

    I think their desperation is making them loose it over there in Washington DC. Next, they will be designating Iran, the nation, a terrorist organization. Do these people even realize how stupid they are acting? These Neocons have become the dark clowns of the world. Had they been not so dangerous they would actually be very entertaining, even funny.

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    Terrorist Label for Iran Guard Reflects U.S. Impatience With U.N.



    In moving toward designating Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a foreign terrorist organization, the Bush administration is adopting a more confrontational approach with Tehran, reflecting frustration with a stalled sanctions package at the United Nations Security Council, officials said Wednesday. White House and State Department officials were debating when to make the formal designation — White House officials want to do so now, and the State Department wants to wait until various August recesses are over — but the administration was already adopting tougher talk toward Tehran.

    “We are confronting Iranian behavior across a variety of different fronts, on a number of different, quote unquote, battlefields, if you will,” the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, told reporters in Washington. His use of the word “battlefields” was described by some European diplomats as another ratcheting up of the anti-Iran statements. Mr. McCormack maintained that his use of the word did not mean that the State Department had adopted the view that the United States should confront Iran militarily, a view that has been advocated by some officials in Vice President xxxx Cheney’s office.

    “I was trying to illustrate that you don’t just confront Iran with guns and soldiers; sometimes you do it with lawyers and accountants and diplomats,” Mr. McCormack said. But other administration officials said that the United States was getting increasingly frustrated that Security Council sanctions, which were meant to rein in Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, have been anemic. Beyond that, administration officials are worried that America’s allies in imposing the sanctions — particularly Russia and China — have been slow to agree to increase the pressure and have balked at imposing tougher measures.

    In Tehran, politicians across the board said Wednesday that if the United States proceeded with plans to declare the Revolutionary Guard a foreign terrorist organization, the action would only unify politicians in Iran and lead to an escalation of hostility between the countries. Iranian government officials were not available to comment on the issue. But the Fars News Agency, which is close to the Revolutionary Guard, quoted an official at the Foreign Ministry as dismissing the news as propaganda. Analysts and former government officials in Tehran, both conservative and reformist, said the planned designation of the Guard as a terrorist organization was intended to destabilize the government.

    “Maybe the Revolutionary Guards have done certain things in their own backyard,” said Saeed Leylaz, an economist and a reformist political analyst, referring to Afghanistan and Iraq. “But they have also cooperated with Americans there.”

    “Now the United States is asking Iran to help stabilize Iraq, but in the meantime suggests that after stability in Iraq it will come after Iran,” added Mr. Leylaz, who often criticizes President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Iran and the United States have held three rounds of talks on an ambassadorial level in Baghdad in recent months to discuss how to stabilize Iraq. The talks were held as United States officials accused Iran of stepping up support for radical Shiite militia groups in Iraq. Iran has brushed off the accusations and has said its efforts are aimed at stabilizing a democratic government in Iraq.

    “The Americans want to cover up their own failure in Iraq with these kinds of accusations,” said Akbar Alami, a reformist member of Parliament. A former deputy defense minister, Alireza Akbari, warned that the measure could cause instability in the region. “If they put pressure on the security apparatus of a country, they should expect a similar reaction,” he said. “And it would certainly serve the real terrorists in the region if the United States and Iran move toward confronting one another.”

    Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/wo...ref=middleeast
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      How is it really possible to start a war with Iran if we are in a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are in debt and the American people want peace and any president who starts a new war will be unpopular. We've had enough of war but not enough of peace.
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      • Re: Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

        Originally posted by Mos View Post
        How is it really possible to start a war with Iran if we are in a mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are in debt and the American people want peace and any president who starts a new war will be unpopular. We've had enough of war but not enough of peace.
        Good point, young friend. You can find the answer to your question in many relevant posts in this thread.

        In short: Iran needs to be subjugated or destroyed, which ever comes first, because it poses a longterm strategic threat to American, Saudi Arabian and Israeli interests. Iran is seen as a threat because Iran is not part of the international order controlled from Washington DC. Iran is seen as a threat because Iran is in an alliance with Russia and China. Iran is a threat because it can potentially rule over Iraq through Iraq's Shiite population. Iran is a threat because it controls vast mounts of natural resources that which are not controlled by the west. And finally, Iran is a threat because once it develops nuclear weapons technology it can become unstoppable.

        Therefore, taking the above into serious consideration, special interests groups in this country - namely the oil lobby, defense industry, the Jooish lobby, neoconservatives, Christian Zionists (bible belt morons), major corporations, banking institutions - will push for confrontation with Iran. And when you have these special interests pushing for war, no other factor will be taken into consideration, including that thing called democracy. So, they are in a bind, they know that Iran is going to prove very difficult to break, however, due to geostrategic considerations and formulations they must try to break it.

        We are truly living in dangerous times.
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          Russia, China, Iran issue veiled warning to U.S. to stay away from Central Asia



          BISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan: The leaders of Russia, China and Iran have warned the outside world to leave Central Asia alone to look after its own stability and security, in a veiled message to the United States issued on the eve of major war games between Russia and China. Leaders issued a statement Thursday, at a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, that was an apparent warning to the United States to stay away from the strategically placed, resource-rich region.

          "Stability and security in Central Asia are best ensured primarily through efforts taken by the nations of the region on the basis of the existing regional associations," the leaders said at the end of the organization's summit in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek. Presidents Vladimir Putin of Russia, Hu Jintao of China and leaders of four ex-Soviet Central Asian nations that are part of the SCO were all also set to attend Friday's military exercises in the Chelyabinsk region in Russia's Ural Mountains. Some 6,000 Russian and Chinese troops, dozens of aircraft and hundreds of armored vehicles and other heavy weapons will be participating the games — the first such joint drills on Russia's territory.

          Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, an observer at the summit, criticized U.S. missile defense plans as a threat to the entire region. "These intentions go beyond just one country. They are of concern for much of the continent, Asia and SCO members," he said. The SCO was created 11 years ago to address religious extremism and border security issues in Central Asia. In recent years, with Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia signing on as observers, the group has increasingly grown into a bloc aimed at defying U.S. interests in the region, which has huge hydrocarbon reserves. Ahmadinejad is attending the annual summit for the second consecutive year. In 2005, the SCO called for a timetable to be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from two member countries, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Uzbekistan evicted U.S. forces later that year, but Kyrgyzstan still hosts a U.S. base, which supports operations in nearby Afghanistan.

          Russia also maintains a military base in Kyrgyzstan.

          Putin didn't mention the United States in his speech at the summit, but he said that "any attempts to solve global and regional problems unilaterally are hopeless." He also called for "strengthening a multi-polar international system that would ensure equal security and opportunities for all countries" — comments echoing Russia's frequent complaints that the United States dominates world affairs. Moscow has also bristled at Washington's plans to deploy missile interceptors in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic, saying the system would threaten Russia security. The United States says the missile defenses are necessary to avert the threat of possible missile attacks by Iran.

          Hu also said signaled that security for Central Asia was best left to the nations themselves. "The SCO nations have a clear understanding of the threats faced by the region and thus must ensure their security themselves," he said. Moscow and Beijing have developed what they dubbed a "strategic partnership" after the Soviet collapse, cemented by their perceptions that the United States dominates global affairs. China hosted the first-ever joint maneuvers in August 2005, which included a mock assault on the beaches of northern China and featured Russia's long-range bombers. The SCO, whose members are some of the world's biggest energy producers and consumers, also discussed ways to enhance energy cooperation. The U.S. has supported plans for new pipelines that would carry the region's oil and gas to the West and bypass Russia, while Moscow has pushed strongly to control the export flows.

          China also has shown a growing appetite for energy to power its booming economy. A further sign of the group's intention to influence energy markets was the participation in the Bishkek summit of Turkmen President Gurbanguli Berdymukhamedov, whose country is the second-largest producer of natural gas in the former Soviet Union after Russia. Turkmenistan is not a SCO member; the president was attending as a guest.

          Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...ity-Summit.php
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            Russia says Iran poses no threat


            (Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov)

            Russia sees no threat emanating from Iran, the "rogue state" the United States is building its missile shield in Europe against, the Russian foreign minister said Thursday. The U.S. announced in January plans to place a radar and a host of interceptor missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic to fend off what Washington sees as a growing missile threat from "rogue states," including Iran. "In analyzing the Iranian leader's statement and the quite precise information at our disposal, we can see no such long-term threat," Sergei Lavrov told the media on the sidelines of a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) underway in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said earlier Thursday that the deployment of a U.S. missile shield in Europe threatened not only Iran but also the whole of Eurasia. Asked when Russian and U.S. experts would hold a second round of consultations on the proposed U.S. missile shield, the minister said: "In September." Lavrov also said that although Russia and China had not yet considered cooperation in missile defense, the two countries "share a vision of how to provide security." "We and China are analyzing the U.S. global missile defense plans targeting Europe and the East," the diplomat said. The SCO, a regional group largely seen as a counterweight to U.S. influence in Asia, comprises Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and has Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia as observers.

            Source: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070816/71949222.html
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              Russia rejects fears that air-defense systems sold to Syria can end up in Iran


              Pantsyr S1 - Air Defence Missile/Gun System

              Russia has begun delivery of modern air-defense units to Syria while rejecting speculation that some of the weapons could be forwarded secretly to Iran, a newspaper reported Friday. "The first part of the delivery to Syria has started," the centrist daily Nezavissimaya Gazeta reported, quoting information from a domestic military information agency. A spokesman for Russia's arms export agency Rosoboronexport, contacted by AFP, declined to comment on the newspaper report.

              The report acknowledged that the delivery of the weapons, the Pantsyr-S1E self-propelled short-range missile air-defense system, was particularly sensitive in light of Israeli claims last year that Russian arms sold to Syria had ended up in the hands of Lebanese resistance movement Hizbullah. Israel fought a war with Hizbullah fighters in Lebanon in the summer of 2006 and afterward accused Russia of indirectly supplying Hizbullah with relatively sophisticated anti-tank weapons, an accusation Moscow denied. Nezavissimaya Gazeta quoted an official involved in Russian arms-export policy as describing concerns that Russian air-defense weapons could be re-exported to Iran as "silly rumors."


              The 57E6 Aurface-to-Air Missile Used by the Pantsyr S1.

              "This is not possible," Vitaly Shlykov, a member of the state committee on foreign and defense policy, was quoted as saying. "One of the conditions for every deal is the prohibition on transfer of the weaponry to a third country." Officially, the contract was for the sale of 50 Pantsyr units for about $900 million. Media reports have put the number of units sold to Syria at around 36. In May, the London-based arms specialist magazine Jane's Defense Weekly reported that Syria had agreed to send Iran at least 10 of the Pantsyr units. That report was categorically denied by a range of top Russian officials including First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov.

              Source: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....icle_id=84607#

              Iran set to obtain Pantsyr via Syria

              Jane's Information Group By Robin Hughes

              Iran is set to acquire at least 10 96K6 Pantsyr-S1E self-propelled short-range gun and missile air-defence systems as a derivative of a major deal struck between Syria and Russia earlier this year. A source close to the deal told Jane's that Russia has agreed to sell Damascus "some 50 Pantsyr-S1E systems", with initial deliveries set to begin later in 2007. Syria is understood to be receiving the Pantsyr-S1E equipped with the latest Roman I-Band fire control radar. While the source noted that most of the Pantsyrs are earmarked for the Syrian Air Defence Command, "the end user for 10 of the systems is Tehran". These should reach Iran, via Syria, in late 2008, the source told Jane's. According to the source, Iran will part finance the Syrian acquisition along with payment for its own 10 systems to recompense Damascus for its compliance in the deal.

              Syria is understood to have signed a contract with Russia, with an estimated value of USD730 million, for the supply of the Pantsyr-S1E. While Tehran has indicated to Damascus the urgency of the requirement, the source said that the 10 systems to be transferred will not be taken from the first ones supplied to Syria but from later deliveries. The source added Iran has also disclosed plans to acquire at least 50 Pantsyr-S1E systems and is currently now exploring potential options to realise this. He additionally confirmed that Iran has now acquired at least two longer-range S-300PMU-1/2 Favorit (SA-10c/d 'Grumble') air-defence systems. Syrian consent to enable Iran to procure the Pantsyr-S1E systems through Syria is an implementation of the military and technological co-operation mechanism stipulated in a strategic accord signed by both countries in November 2005.

              Source: http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jd...0522_1_n.shtml
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              • Re: Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

                Hmm... Why do I get the feeling that in the next Israel vs Hezbollah round, not only will Israeli tanks be unsafe, but their warplanes too.

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                  Originally posted by skhara View Post
                  Hmm... Why do I get the feeling that in the next Israel vs Hezbollah round, not only will Israeli tanks be unsafe, but their warplanes too.
                  I know. Imaging what would have happened if they did have technologically advanced anti-aircraft capability last summer. I know for certain that they are currently attempting to arm themselves with such weapons. You had posted a good article regarding this not too long ago here.
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                    Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has invited his Russian counterpart, President Vladimir Putin to a summit of Caspian nations.



                    The invitation was made during a session of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan August 16, where Iran has observer status, the Tehran Times newspaper reported Saturday. A date for the summit was not mentioned. However, Iranian media reported that no meeting between the two leaders had been planned for Bishkek, but that they met informally and had a friendly exchange of views. The first summit of Caspian nations, which includes Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Turkmenistan, took place in 2002. It was decided at the time to hold the second the following year, however it was repeatedly put off until now. The 2002 summit in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan discussed the legal rights of the Caspian littoral nations to explore the huge oil reserves beneath the sea.

                    Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101
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                      Iran leader says US in whirpool



                      TEHRAN: Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei yesterday launched a new attack on the US, saying Iran's arch enemy was "stuck in a whirlpool" and would sink deeper in the future. "America is weaker compared to 20 years ago and it does not have its previous power and grandeur," Khamenei said in a speech at a religious conference. "America and its followers are stuck in a whirlpool and they sink deeper as time passes. A dangerous future is predicted for them," he added. The US cut diplomatic ties with Iran in 1980 during the siege of its embassy in Tehran by Islamist students in the wake of the Islamic revolution. An Iranian official said yesterday that Iran's atomic work was continuing "non-stop".

                      His statement came on the eve of a new round of talks with the UN nuclear watchdog aimed at defusing Western suspicions about Tehran's intentions. Iran agreed in June to draw up an "action plan" to give the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) more access to its nuclear facilities. Top officials from Iran and the UN nuclear watchdog will hold a third round of talks today aimed at agreeing guarantees over the contested Iranian nuclear programme. One such issue is over the installation of surveillance cameras at Iran's ultra sensitive uranium enrichment plant in the central city of Natanz. The two previous rounds have been held in Vienna and Tehran with some success.

                      Source: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30153
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