Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

[Armanen]

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I'm pretty sure that Iran falls under the jurisdiction of Ecthmiadzin, not Cilicia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Apostolic_Church#Mother_See_of_Holy_Etchmiadzin

[Armenian]

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I'm pretty sure that Iran falls under the jurisdiction of Ecthmiadzin, not Cilicia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia...ly_Etchmiadzin

All my life I have been under the impression that the Iranian-Armenian community was under Clician authority. I could be wrong. It's one of those things you think you know but you never had the opportunity/urge to verify. Perhaps you should ask someone in the Prelacy. I would not go with Wikipedia information. However, the most influential Armenian political/cultural organization in Iran is the ARF. As a result of the influential role the ARF plays in Iranian-Armenian society, the Clician Katolikosate will by default play a influential role as well. Maybe Lucin can confirm or refute my claims. Nonetheless, I only took issue with Lucin because of her attempt to belittle Garegin II.

[Armanen]

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I am not 100% sure either. To me it would make sense in geographical terms to have Etchmiadzin lead the flock in Iran. If anyone knows for sure please post.

[Lucin]

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All my life I have been under the impression that the Iranian-Armenian community was under Clician authority. I could be wrong.

You've been correct, all your life.

Nonetheless, I only took issue with Lucin because of her attempt to belittle Garegin II.

What gave you that impression?? "Belittle" is a pretty strong word. As you reminded, his task is more concentrated on different issues in Armenia. I was just stating how influential one is on the international level compared to the other. As an orthodox Christian, I have great respect for both of them.

But for instance, do you think Aram I would have gone at the door of an individual like Levon, and then to be refused?

[Armenian]

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You've been correct, all your life.

Thank you, jan

What gave you that impression?? "Belittle" is a pretty strong word.

Perhaps the word "belittle" was a bit too strong, but I was merely basing my perception of your intentions on your words (see below).

It's interesting that Aram I is a very politically active religious leader, he travels everywhere, meets with world leaders, makes various comments in condemnation or support of different issues but I have not seen Catholics Garegin II of Edjmiadzin as active and influential on different levels.

So, based on your words above, you seem to be comparing the two and making the unfair assumption that Garegin II lags behind Aram I. Thus, belittling??? Anyway, no big deal.

As you reminded, his task is more concentrated on different issues in Armenia. I was just stating how influential one is on the international level compared to the other.

You are right. Aram is more "international," so-to-speak. This has to do with his training, which was outside of the Soviet Union; his strong ARF associations worldwide; and because he seems to be a high ranking Mason (32 degree?). Anyway, they both play two different yet essentially vital roles in our nation.

But for instance, do you think Aram I would have gone at the door of an individual like Levon, and then to be refused?

You are right. If Aram I had to lower himself to the point of going to Levon's door and then refused entry, he would have kicked down the door and smashed Levon's head with his gem studded patriarchal staff...

[truAnatolian]

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Hey armenian,
whats the role of the Masons in Armenia?

[Armanen]

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because he seems to be a high ranking Mason (32 degree?).

Isn't the Armenian Church against freemasonry? Also, I think it's a big conflict of interest for any church figure to be a mason, not to mention the role played by masonic factions in the Armenian Genocide.

[Armenian]

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Isn't the Armenian Church against freemasonry? Also, I think it's a big conflict of interest for any church figure to be a mason, not to mention the role played by masonic factions in the Armenian Genocide.

Are you referring to any Church canons? There are no laws in the Armenian Church addressing Masonry. In theory, the Church 'should' be against it. In practice, however, it a different story. Nevertheless, I don't see anything wrong with having prominant Armenians in all kinds of organizations, including those that we don't see in a good light. Although I have to admit it would be a double edged blade.

Free Masonry is, in essence, an exclusive club for the financial/political elite in the West. Within the exclusive confines of top level Masonry (not the low level wannabees in the lodges) leaders (financial, religious or political) of various lesser nations (third world/developing nations) are wined and dined towards socioeconomic/geopolitical intentions.

Hey armenian,
whats the role of the Masons in Armenia?

I am not too familiar with this topic to give you a comprehensive/accurate answer. Last few years, however, there have been accusations made that many prominant Armenians in Armenia, including the former president Levon Petrosian were Masons... Personally, I don't think Masonic influence in Armenia can be too strong primarily due to two reasons: Armenia's insular national development during the Soviet years and the strong influence of the Russian FSB in Armenia.

[Armanen]

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Are you referring to any Church cannons?

None that I know of, but I thought that our church would have the same attitude toward masonry as the catholic church. Also, Armenians have a negative view of masonry, seeing them as satanists.

Although I have to admit it would be a double edged blade.

Exactly! There is no way to know whos interests they really serve and I would be very careful in employing this tactic.

Within the exclusive confines of top level Masonry

Yes, more or less these are the illuminati, bohemian grove, skull & bones, trilateral commission, cfr, bilderbergers, etc. In other words the nwo-ers/globalists. This is why I don't feel comfertable having high ranking members of our Church being involved with these scum bags, not because they are scum, but because of the power they have to buy and sell whatever and whomever they please.

[Armenian]

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None that I know of, but I thought that our church would have the same attitude toward masonry as the catholic church. Also, Armenians have a negative view of masonry, seeing them as satanists.

And there are Armenians that think being part of the organization is very prestigious, so they join their local lodges and become wannabees...

Exactly! There is no way to know whos interests they really serve and I would be very careful in employing this tactic. Yes, more or less these are the illuminati, bohemian grove, skull & bones, trilateral commission, etc. In other words the nwo-ers/globalists. This is why I don't feel comfertable having high ranking members of our Church being involved with these scum bags, not because they are scum, but because of the power they have to buy and sell whatever and whomever they please.

I fully agree. Also, it's utterly foolish when representatives of little/vulnerable nations think that by being in these organization they can somehow manipulate their thinking. Being a high ranking Mason is Aram I's biggest fault - if he indeed is a Mason.

Allow me to mention here that it's not a good idea to dwell on the ominous names you mentioned above because it simply gives an impression of fantasy. When I have discussions regarding this topic, I simply tell people to forget the terms Skull & Bones or Masons or Illuminati and just think of them as an super exclusive club where the world's most powerful, the elite of the elite (primarily old money), have a lifelong membership in. A club who's members are so wealthy so powerful that they can literally buy and sell nations and make life and death decisions than can impact the entire globe. The members of this club, mainly of European decent, are solely interested in protecting their enormous wealth and power and they will do so by any means necessary. So when certain nations/movements/individuals rise that can potentially oppose them and their globalist plans they are eliminated one way or another.

Nazis were one group that that attempted to oppose this global/western elite. Bolsheviks were first supported by the global elite with the primary intention of destabilizing the Russian Empire but then the Bolsheviks turned against them, and now the Russian Empire is back. Currently, this global elite involves itself in exporting democracy and liberalism worldwide and they are also trying to figure out what to do with China and Russia. But their most pressing problem today is population growth control, acquisition of various vital natural resources, and maintaining the current financial system, that which has helped them enslave a significant portion of the world's population many generations.