Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

[ArmSurvival]

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What have to do with me the beliefs of the j ews and how they consider them selfs i just dont care,i merely point some historic facts that i think them as true.

The J ewish perception of themselves is one of the most important aspects of this issue, because its the main excuse they use to treat Arabs like garbage. They say they are God's chosen people (which means their religion is inherently fascist), and they say they needed to colonize Palestine because they were oppressed in Europe. Well, okay, then let Europe give them land. Why are they making Arabs pay for what Europeans did to them?

[KanadaHye]

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Ahmadinejad slams Israel

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad lashed out at Israel and the West Friday, saying the Holocaust was a lie and a pretext for occupying Palestinian lands, while hard-liners attacked a reformist cleric who was marching with the opposition at an anti-government rally in Tehran.

Thousands of opposition supporters held protests in competition with government-sponsored mass rallies to mark an annual anti-Israel commemoration, the Quds Day that reflects Iran's sympathy with the Palestinians.

At one opposition rally, a group of hardliners came up and attacked reformist former president, Mohammad Khatami, pushing him to the ground, according to a reformist website. The report cited witnesses saying the opposition activists rescued Khatami and quickly repelled the assailants.

Witnesses said a group of hardline demonstrators tried to attack opposition leader Mir Hosein Mousavi as he joined another opposition march in downtown Tehran. The reports could not be independently verified because Iranian authorities have banned foreign media from covering opposition rallies. There were no further details and reports said Mousavi quickly left the streets.

Anti-Holocaust speech
The demonstrations mark Quds Day — an annual event dedicated to condemning Israel and expressing support for the Palestinians. Quds is Arabic for Jerusalem.

At the climax of the occasion, Ahmadinejad addressed worshippers before Friday prayers at the Tehran University campus, reiterating his anti-Holocaust rhetoric that has drawn international condemnation since 2005, questioning whether the "Holocaust was a real event" and saying Israel was created on "false and mythical claims."

He also accused Israel of inciting foreign-based Iranian opposition groups to stage protest rallies against his re-election.

Ahmadinejad also accused world powers of double standards in favour of Israel and of disregarding violations of Palestinian rights. He repeated his old predictions that Israel would soon cease to exist and urged people to stand up against Israel's "Zionist regime as a national and moral duty."

Protesters warned
On Thursday, Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard warned opposition protesters against holding anti-government demonstrations, saying that if they attempted "any sort of violation and disorder" they will encounter "strong confrontation."

Baton-toting police and security troops, along with the pro-government Basij militia that helped crush mass street protests this summer against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election, were deployed along main squares and boulevards but the rallies kicked off peacefully.

By midmorning in central Tehran, dozens of opposition supporters in green T-shirts and wearing green wristbands — a colour symbolizing the opposition movement — marched with fingers raised in the V-sign for victory and chanting "Death to the dictator."

Others shouted for the government to resign and carried small photos of Mousavi, while some women marched with their children.

There were also chants of: "Neither Gaza nor Lebanon, but our life is for Iran" — a slogan defying the regime's support for Palestinian militants in Gaza and Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas.

Just hundreds of metres away on the main Keshavarz Boulevard, thousands of Ahmadinejad supporters marched carrying huge photographs of the president and also the country's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Some in the government-sponsored rally chanted: "Death to those who oppose the Supreme Leader!"


http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...ds-day302.html

[hipeter924]

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He always continues this charade, I am sure he knows the Nazi Holocaust happened. It's just that he really loves to insult Israel's govt, and well the best (but not necessarily most acceptable way) is to deny something important or significant event to Israel's people like the Holocaust.

[KanadaHye]

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He always continues this charade, I am sure he knows the Nazi Holocaust happened. It's just that he really loves to insult Israel's govt, and well the best (but not necessarily most acceptable way) is to deny something important or significant event to Israel's people like the Holocaust.

In all fairness, he didn't say the holocaust didn't happen, he invited a panel of scholars to discuss the holocaust just like the historical commission Turkey wishes to hold with Armenia to discuss the claims of the Armenian Genocide.

[hipeter924]

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In all fairness, he didn't say the holocaust didn't happen, he invited a panel of scholars to discuss the holocaust just like the historical commission Turkey wishes to hold with Armenia to discuss the claims of the Armenian Genocide.

I know that, but it doesn't seem to be helping things at all. Just making already paranoid and obsessive nationalists (the current Israeli govt) even more delusional, Israel's latest fantasy of Iran's nuclear weapons program is enough.

[Parskahay]

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the muslim dominants in iran will help palestina of course as long as they say all muslims are brothers regardless of being shia or sunni
but i also hate many politics that iran have right now such rich country cannot be attacked easily

[Muhaha]

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Hopes raised for Iran agreement

The draft deal now on the table with Iran would lower immediate tensions but not solve the underlying problems.

While it would remove most of the low-enriched uranium Iran has stockpiled, Iran has not agreed to stop enrichment and it could make up the amount in about a year.

The draft was drawn up by the UN nuclear agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), after talks in Vienna between Iran and the US, Russia and France.

The plan is to take 1,200kg of the low-enriched uranium Iran has produced (about 75% of its stockpile), enrich it further in Russia to just under 20% and then make it into fuel rods in France.

The rods would then go back to Iran, under IAEA control, to power a research reactor in Tehran producing radioactive isotopes used in the detection and treatment of cancer.

This reactor was originally installed by the US when the Shah was in power, but it is running out of fuel, which was provided by Argentina.

'Healing wounds'

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei has circulated a draft text to the governments concerned and hopes for a reply by Friday.

Mr ElBaradei, who has been something of an optimist in all the lengthy dealings with Iran, spoke in upbeat terms: "Everybody who participated at the meeting was trying to look at the future not at the past, trying to heal the wounds. I very much hope that people see the big picture, [and] see that this agreement could open the way for a complete normalisation of relations between Iran and the international community."

Diplomats from the countries negotiating with Iran might not be so sure. One remarked that dealing with Iran was "worse than in Groundhog Day".

"That was the same every day. Now you wake up and things are a little bit worse."

Perhaps not this time, if - and it is a big if - Iran accepts the agreement and it is carried through.

Confidence-building

Experts have welcomed the proposed deal.

Mark Fitzpatrick of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, in London, feels this approach is "the best and maybe the only way" out of the crisis. He said that he and others had urged a solution based on getting the low-enriched uranium out of Iran.

The Obama administration, he added, had capitalised on Iran's need for fuel for its research reactor by proposing this arrangement.

Whether it serves as a model for Iran's wider nuclear power needs is more doubtful. The Iranians still insist that their domestic enrichment programme will go ahead.

So while talk of further sanctions is likely to abate for the moment, an end-of-year deadline set by Washington for serious progress towards a comprehensive solution might well yet come into play.

Western diplomats are looking for two other confidence-building measures.

The first is a follow-up to the agreement reached in Geneva earlier this month that there should be a substantive meeting with Iran on the nuclear issue by the end of October. No date has yet been set.

The other is for a proper inspection regime to be agreed for the newly-announced enrichment plant near Qom. The IAEA is to visit it on Sunday but Western governments want the IAEA to have access to documents, plans and to the scientists working there to try to assess its significance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8318328.stm

[Muhaha]

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Israel 'met Iran' at atomic talks

Senior Israeli and Iranian officials have met face-to-face and discussed the threat of nuclear arms, Israel says.

Israeli officials told the BBC each side attended panel sessions of a disarmament and non-proliferation conference in Cairo in September.

Iran had denied the Israeli accounts, but if confirmed it would be the first official exchange between the bitter foes since Iran's 1979 revolution.

Israel is believed to have nuclear arms and accuses Iran of seeking them too.

Representing Israel at the closed-door event at the Four Seasons hotel in the Egyptian capital was the head of arms control at the Israeli Atomic Agency, Meirav Zafary-Odiz, Israeli media reported.

Iran's ambassador to the UN's nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, Ali Ashgar Soltanieh, was also reportedly at the conference.

Reacting to the reports, Iran's atomic energy organisation spokesmen denied any meetings had taken place with Israeli officials.

"This lie is a kind of psychological operation designed to affect the constant success of Iran's dynamic diplomacy in the Geneva and Vienna meetings," said Ali Shirzadian in quotes broadcast on Iranian state TV.

A senior Israeli government official, meanwhile, described it as "preposterous" that the Cairo panel sessions implied any kind of diplomatic contact between Iran and Israel.

"For years Iran and Israel have participated at the same time in multilateral forums like this," he said, giving the examples of UN agencies, and the IAEA.

Contacts avoided

Iran does not recognise Israel and the two sides are frequently involved in exchanging hostile threats and denunciations.

At international conferences and sporting events, representatives of the Islamic Republic invariably avoid any contact with their Israeli counterparts.

Israel's Haaretz newspaper says three panel sessions of the International Commission on Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Disarmament conference involved exchanges between the Iranian and Israeli delegates.

The sessions dealt with efforts to make the Middle East a nuclear-free zone, non-proliferation in the region and developing peaceful nuclear energy.

In one of the discussions, Haaretz quotes Mr Soltanieh directly asking Ms Zafary-Odiz: "Do you or do you not have nuclear weapons?"

Ms Zafary-Odiz reportedly smiled, but did not respond.

The newspaper says the two representatives did not meet separately outside the session or shake hands.

Israel is widely believed to have a stockpile of atomic warheads with delivery systems, but it refuses to confirm or deny their existence and has not signed the international Nuclear Non-Profileration Treaty.

The US leads accusations that Iran is engaged in a covert attempt to develop nuclear weapons, although Iran says its nuclear activities are purely for peaceful ends.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8319949.stm

[KanadaHye]

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Turkey chastises the West on Iran

Turkey's prime minister has accused the West of
treating Iran unfairly over its nuclear programme.



Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Britain's Guardian newspaper Western fears Iran wanted to build the bomb were "gossip".

His comments come as a team from the UN nuclear watchdog continues its inspection of a previously secret uranium plant near the city of Qom.

Mr Erdogan is due in Tehran for talks with both President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the country's Supreme Leader.

The Turkish leader suggested that there was a dual standard in the West's approach towards Iran.

He said any military strike against Iran would be "crazy".

Mr Erdogan also said many of the states which objected to any move by Iran to build a nuclear arsenal - including all the permanent members of the UN Security Council - possessed one themselves.

"There is a style of approach which is not very fair because those [who accuse Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons] have very strong nuclear infrastructures," Mr Erdogan said.

"So although Iran doesn't have a weapon, those who say Iran shouldn't have them are those countries which do," he added.

His comments come as world powers await Iran's response to a new proposed deal over its uranium enrichment programme.

Under the arrangement, Iran would send some enriched uranium to Russia to be turned into fuel.

The proposed deal is seen as a way for Tehran to get the fuel it needs for an existing reactor, while giving guarantees to the West that its enriched uranium will not be used for nuclear weapons.


Mountainside plant

But opposition inside Iran to the agreement is said to be growing. The government has promised a response this week.

The four-member IAEA team is expected to return for a second day on Monday to the country's Fordo enrichment facility, some 30km (20 miles) north of the holy city of Qom.


During their mission, the inspectors are expected to compare the engineering blueprints submitted by Iran with the actual layout of the plant, interview employees, and take environmental samples to check for the presence of nuclear materials.

The Iranian government says the Fordo plant - which is cut into a mountainside, constructed of reinforced concrete and protected by military installations including missile silos and anti-aircraft batteries - will not be operational for another 18 months.

They claim it will be large enough to house 3,000 centrifuges, which will produce uranium that is 5% enriched, suitable only for peaceful purposes. Weapons-grade material is more than 90% enriched.

Iran agreed to open the site to monitoring at talks with the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany in Geneva on 1 October.

Iran says its nuclear programme is for purely peaceful purposes but the revelation of the existence of the new plant had increased fears in the West about Tehran's intentions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8325373.stm

[Muhaha]

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Medvedev, Obama may talk sanctions'

Russia is prepared to support further sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program following the Islamic Republic's failure to accept a UN deal that would ease Western fears, according to the Russian Kommersant daily.

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