Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[axel]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

"Freedom of speech"

excerpt from the memoirs of Jean de Joinville a.k.a. Vie de Saint Louis

He told me that there was a great conference of clergy and xxxs in the monastery of Clugny, and there was a knight, to whom the abbot had given bread out of charity, and he desired the abbot to let him have the first word, and with some difficulty he got permission. Then the knight rose, and leaned upon his crutch, and bade them bring forth the greatest scholar and master among the xxxs, and they did so. And he put a question to him as follows: " Master," said he, " I ask you, whether you believe that the Virgin Mary, who carried God in her womb and in her arms, brought forth as a maid, and that she is the Mother of God? " And the xxx replied: That he did not believe a word of it. The knight replied: That he was a great fool to trust himself inside her monastery and house, when he neither believed in nor loved her; " And truly you shall pay for it" quoth he. And thereupon he lifted up his staff, and smote the xxx behind the ear, and stretched him on the ground. And the xxxs took to their heels, carrying their master off with them, all wounded. And that was the end of the conference. Then the abbot came to the knight, and said: That he had acted very foolishly; and the knight replied: That he himself had acted still more foolishly, in calling such a conference; for that there were numbers of Christians there, who by the close of the conference would have gone away infidels, through not seeing through the fallacies of the xxxs. " And so I tell you," said the King, " That no one ought to argue with them unless he be a very good scholar; but a layman, if he hear the Christian law defamed, should undertake its defence with the sword alone, and that he should use to run them straight through the body as far in as it will go!"

http://www.ordotempli.org/memoirs_of_the_lord_of_joinville.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_Joinville

[axel]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

The nationalists beat a retreat.

Մելի՛ք, թա՛փ տուր մի քեզ։

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

While some Armenians within Armenia may have reached a period of esteem (as that word is used in Maslow's hierarchy), very few and the Nation itself has yet to reach self-actualization. And, for a whole, our Armenia is still trying to satisfy it 'social' needs - i.e. competing in the global marketplace and secure its long term 'safety'.

When the Ottoman Empire was falling apart at the seams, and, no, this obviously did not happen on paper, our county which was internationally recognized for less than the whole duration of World War I.

And, when Armenia was involved in the Turkish-Armenian war, Armenia was not yet internationally recognized as a country. When we sat a the table after holding off Ottoman forces that ran hunderds of thousands or more of Ottoman Armenians, we were negotiating our 'survival'. We may had land but we did not have a country. We were fighting for our freedom. We were freedom fighters. We dreamt of return to our nation but first we had to survive.

The only parties to the Treaty of Batum we Armenians and Ottoman Turks. When Armenia was created again at the signing of the Treaty of Serves, were we negotiating the borders of our nation or were the terms of our nation dictated to us.

Revolutions are not fought by people with nations.

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Saturday, February 02, 2008
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HOW TO WRITE HISTORY
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Lucian of Samosata (125-200 A.D.): “My own ideal historian is fearless, incorruptible, high-minded and a frank exponent of the truth. The impartiality of his judgment will not be affected by sympathy or antipathy, good feeling or sentiment, shame or shyness. He will do his best for all his characters so far as he can do it without favoring one at the expense of another. He will be a law unto himself acknowledging no allegiances. He will not stop to consider what A or B will think, but will state the facts.”
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Something is bound to go wrong in everyone’s life. A great many things have gone wrong in mine. The temptation to blame it one others has been overwhelming. But I am now old enough and objective enough to see that my contribution to my misfortunes has been infinitely greater than the combined hostility of all my adversaries of whom I have had my share, perhaps even more than my share.
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Mother Teresa, “the saint of the gutter,” is a proof of the fact that you don’t have to be a believer to be a saint. Likewise, you don’t have to be wise to see the truth. All you need is a touch of humility, honesty, and objectivity.
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A victim may be as deficient in grasping reality as his victimizer.
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After defining themselves as good Armenians, some of my readers call me a bad Armenian, and worse, anti-Armenian. I am nothing of the kind. I am not even anti-Turkish. I want to be friends with everybody, and some day I may even acquire Turkish friends. As for acquiring Armenian friends: that may prove to be a more demanding enterprise.
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[KarotheGreat]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

While some Armenians within Armenia may have reached a period of esteem (as that word is used in Maslow's hierarchy), very few and the Nation itself has yet to reach self-actualization. And, for a whole, our Armenia is still trying to satisfy it 'social' needs - i.e. competing in the global marketplace and secure its long term 'safety'.

When the Ottoman Empire was falling apart at the seams, and, no, this obviously did not happen on paper, our county which was internationally recognized for less than the whole duration of World War I.

And, when Armenia was involved in the Turkish-Armenian war, Armenia was not yet internationally recognized as a country. When we sat a the table after holding off Ottoman forces that ran hunderds of thousands or more of Ottoman Armenians, we were negotiating our 'survival'. We may had land but we did not have a country. We were fighting for our freedom. We were freedom fighters. We dreamt of return to our nation but first we had to survive.

The only parties to the Treaty of Batum we Armenians and Ottoman Turks. When Armenia was created again at the signing of the Treaty of Serves, were we negotiating the borders of our nation or were the terms of our nation dictated to us.

Revolutions are not fought by people with nations.

So it's now the world who says when we have a country or not. So by your thinking Artsakh is not a country it needs to be acknoledged by the world to be a country. Is that what you are sying, you lost it really lost it.

[axel]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

And if he is talking about our "problems", why post it everywhere? what has it got to do with odars? I can't see any relevance.

Note, Lucin, that Ara is not the only one. A few years ago, self-proclaimed armenian dissident Denis Donikian (incidentally, a friend of Ara's) went to a B'naï b'rith event to make the promotion of his "Un nôtre pays" (http://www.armenews.com/affiche_mess...&idforum=f_asp).

"Un livre qui se situe au-delà de toute information, dans l'esprit de l'écriture. Pas un geste d'ambulancier. Un devoir d'insolence.
Paradis et puanteur !"

http://www.armenews.com/affiche_message.php3?ident=2706126230&id=12623&groupe=2706&famille=0&lapage=&idforum=f_asp

So this behaviour is in fact quite common amongst our "democrats", or rather westernizers (for under the guise of "dissidence", their agenda is nothing else but westernization)

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[ (for under the guise of "dissidence", their agenda is nothing else but westernization)[/QUOTE]

i assume your favorite alternative is ottomanization? / ara

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

CHINESE 31094891034810948 ARMENIANS 0

I sometimes wonder what keeps me going when I read people defending Ara, it is freightening, again, I now understand why people assimilate, you can only hang so long with a people that lack any dignity or selfworth.

a harmless scribbler like me with one foot in the grave whose work will soon be buried with him must be an excellent target for anonymous cowards like you, eh my hero? / ara

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

You are again contradicting yourself, freaky. Personally, I really don't care about Ara's person. You are accusing some people here of throwing insults to Ara by stating their opinion while you are unable to see that what Ara, himself spreads about your people,all, in reality, insults put very eloquently ( that's probably why you cannot see it??). As a result, many many people feel insulted ( including me) by his words and want to react somehow. So, why not let those who feel really insulted use this podium of 'freedom of speech' to express themselves, if there is any???

There are -sometimes- points made by him (about our problems, charlatans, dupes, lack of support and collaboration amongst us, etc.) that I, as many may agree with, but are they seriously like some sort of "revelation" to you??
What's more, he is clearly trying to attribute all the vile, vicious, immoral human traits to Armenians; he is just not speaking or criticizing generally. Note that some of the issues he is obsessively whining about is typical of people, everywhere, not only Armenians; and actually, to tell you the truth, I believe that he does possess the lucidity and insight to see that and comprehends it perfectly; hence my assertion about his own 'charlatanism' , absolute lack of honesty and objectivity.

And if he is talikng about our "problems", why post it everywhere? what has it got to do with odars? I can't see any relevance.

Anyway, he can go on writing(= bashing his people) as much as he wants… But just imagine what would have happened to him, had he been a Parsik or a Turk.
The situation of journalists and writers in Armenia in not even comparable to her neighbouring countries.

I criticize our "brainless leaders" -- an expression first used by Avedik Issahakian. what you do is "whine" about me -- in the Soviet era you would probably have betrayed me to the commissars.
hence Raffi's dictum: "treason and betrayal are in our blood," and even more to the point: "armenians survive by cannibalizing one another" (Zarian).
for more criticism, see Naregatsi's LAMENTATION. it is true, he speaks for himself, but he might as well be speaking for all men, including fellow armenians.
you pretend to be better?
no decent person would ever assess himself as good.
let others do that for you.
the easiest way to expose yourself as a baloney artist and a phony is to assess yourself as good./ara

[Lucin]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Note, Lucin, that Ara is not the only one. A few years ago, self-proclaimed armenian dissident Denis Donikian (incidentally, a friend of Ara's) went to a B'naï b'rith event to make the promotion of his "Un nôtre pays" (http://www.armenews.com/affiche_mess...&idforum=f_asp).

"Un livre qui se situe au-delà de toute information, dans l'esprit de l'écriture. Pas un geste d'ambulancier. Un devoir d'insolence.
Paradis et puanteur !"

http://www.armenews.com/affiche_message.php3?ident=2706126230&id=12623&groupe=2706&famille=0&lapage=&idforum=f_asp

So this behaviour is in fact quite common amongst our "democrats", or rather westernizers (for under the guise of "dissidence", their agenda is nothing else but westernization)

"SASSOUN, association pour la promotion des échanges entre l'Arménie et Israël."

Wow, what a bunch of retards are these Sassoun guys. Had never heard of them… And Donikian sounds like a 'French' version of Ara…