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  • #271
    Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

    Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
    Dude, the first Armenian nation in the 20th century was created with a pen and paper not a rifle. The second too. Prior to the 20th century, when did ethnic Armenians defend an Armenian nation with recognized borders.
    You are utterly incoherent. I mean, I can't even figure out what the hell you are now blabbering about?

    Are you insinuating that the First Republic in 1918 was not fought for? Are you insinuating that the Second Republic (1991) did not come into existence in the midst of a major war with a neighboring nation? Did you even know that Armenian nationalists fought Soviet troops in Armenia and Artskah before the official declaration of independence?

    I mean just how ignorant are these people we are dealing with here? I know I could not expect much from Ara fans, but this is just ridiculous...

    When I was in an organized Armenian youth group years ago, they tried to impress upon me that Armenians ruled the Roman Empire for about a decade.
    Abush, they taught you that Metsn Tigran created an Armenian Empire stretching from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea that fought the Romans for ten years. You were simply just too stupid to understand what's being taught to you. Besides, if one can consider the the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine) as "Roman," then one could rightfully state that Armenians ruled Rome for many-many decades.

    Perhaps instead of searching for "famous Armenians" and "Jew" related articles to post here you should be studying Armenian history. I seldom come across Armenians as shallow and ignorant as you.

    This brings up another issue. Even if what they taught you were myths or half-truths - why is that necessarily wrong? Such practices are called conditioning, propaganda, something 'all' civilized/modern nations do - including and especially the United States. So, why do you choose to believe the myths of foreigners, or unwittingly accept them, but when it comes to Armenian matters you place things under an electron microscope?

    The answer is self-hate and ignorance.

    You and your interlocutors are living proof for me that Armenia must 'never' attempt to practice democracy.
    Last edited by Armenian; 01-30-2008, 08:10 PM.
    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

    Նժդեհ


    Please visit me at my Heralding the Rise of Russia blog: http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

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    • #272
      Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

      Originally posted by Armenian
      This brings up another question. Even if what they taught you were myths or half truth why is that wrong. Its call conditioning, something all nations do including the United States. Why do you choose to believe the myths of foreigners, but when it comes to Armenian matters you place things under an electron microscope? The answer is self-hate and ignorance.
      VERY TRUE! I am sure they told Americans the truth, that the Vietnam war was about defending markets and economic growth! Americans lost limbs and lives because "communism was a threat", however, the Soviets did not have a functional army nor a war chest at the time. It was not a battle of ideologies, it was a battle to defend markets. I am not implying that the downfall of communism was necessarly a "bad thing", but rather, all governments must put a spin on national interests.
      Last edited by Virgil; 01-30-2008, 08:06 PM.

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      • #273
        Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

        Really, our freedom fighters didn't establish a free and independent Armenian state in 1920. Parties to the Sevres treaty did.

        If Armenian rifles created a nation in the early 20th century, then I inquire were there any signatories of our Armenian leaders on the document that created our nation?

        Yes, between 1917 and 1920, freedom fighters fought against both Ottoman and Bolshevik rule and rifles were involved. These people were fighting for survival and to protect their property and family.
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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        • #274
          Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

          Mr. Gorbachev, tear down these walls!!!
          Between childhood, boyhood,
          adolescence
          & manhood (maturity) there
          should be sharp lines drawn w/
          Tests, deaths, feats, rites
          stories, songs & judgements

          - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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          • #275
            Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

            No, I was taught that rule of the Roman Empire was handed over to us on the battlefield.
            Between childhood, boyhood,
            adolescence
            & manhood (maturity) there
            should be sharp lines drawn w/
            Tests, deaths, feats, rites
            stories, songs & judgements

            - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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            • #276
              Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

              You may have been conditioned, but I have not.
              Between childhood, boyhood,
              adolescence
              & manhood (maturity) there
              should be sharp lines drawn w/
              Tests, deaths, feats, rites
              stories, songs & judgements

              - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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              • #277
                Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

                Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
                Really, our freedom fighters didn't establish a free and independent Armenian state in 1920. Parties to the Sevres treaty did.


                OK stupid, I have had enough of this stupidity, bye-bye
                Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

                Նժդեհ


                Please visit me at my Heralding the Rise of Russia blog: http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com/

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                • #278
                  Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

                  Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
                  Really, our freedom fighters didn't establish a free and independent Armenian state in 1920. Parties to the Sevres treaty did.

                  If Armenian rifles created a nation in the early 20th century, then I inquire were there any signatories of our Armenian leaders on the document that created our nation?

                  Yes, between 1917 and 1920, freedom fighters fought against both Ottoman and Bolshevik rule and rifles were involved. These people were fighting for survival and to protect their property and family.
                  This is a perfect example of where "hate speech" is useful. You see, when someone keeps up such a shameful and indefensible argument in the name of self-righteous conceit...well you get my point. Why belabor it...not only are you an creep, but you are an f'd up moron too.

                  Oh and btw, if you think you have upset me, you did not. I would only get upset if I thought you were worth a damn.

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                  • #279
                    Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

                    Originally posted by Armenian View Post


                    OK stupid, I have had enough of this stupidity, bye-bye
                    I think this whack job is having a meltdown.

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                    • #280
                      Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

                      Apparently, Crusader1492 and Armenian fought for our first Republic of the 20th century or they have a Ph.D. in Modern Armenian history.
                      Between childhood, boyhood,
                      adolescence
                      & manhood (maturity) there
                      should be sharp lines drawn w/
                      Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                      stories, songs & judgements

                      - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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