Scientific Miracles in the Quran

[Crimson Glow]

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"The Bible is ridiculous because it is based on stories stolen and/or plagiarized from previous religions, mythologies and folklore, some which predate the Bible by several thousand years. Oh, and let's not forget this very important broken promise"

Hey Crimson... those stories aren't plagiarized from previous religions.... those are really things that happened in society which are no different than what happens now. The Torah, Old Testament, New Testament, Quran were written in their chronological time frames. Its just proof that the world goes through cycles and the same xxxx happens every 100 or so years. The only thing that changes are the laws... instead of being killed, now they just take your money away which is pretty much the same thing, LOL.

I agree, everything goes in cycles, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the way Christ led his life. Being god's only son and made flesh, being born to a virgin mother, being born on or near Christmas, walking on water, turning water into wine, making food appear out of thin air, promising salvation through belief in him and his father, dieing for the sins of mankind on or near Easter, rising from his grave 3 days later, promising his disciples that he will return again one day, and so on. These things were done in whole, or in part by MANY gods of previous religions, mythologies and folklore. These were predecessors to Christ. The Bible is merely version xx.x of the same, regurgitated stories and fables once believed by people long before Christ supposedly came around.

"And a whole SLEW of never ending quotes in the Bible ordering the deaths of gays, women and nonbelievers can be found here:"

Odd, isn't this what Hitler DID and he was a non-believer

Hitler was not an atheist, OR agnostic. This is something Christian apologists made up, just as they claim America's forefathers were all Christian/this nation was founded on Christianity. Hitler was a devout Catholic. You can find evidence of this in Mein Kampf, and several of his speeches.

From Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I -- Adolf Hitler -- will conclude."

Hitler speaking to General Gerhard Engel in 1941: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

Munich in November in 1939 (after narrowly escaping assassination): "Now I am completely content. The fact that I left the Burgerbraukeller earlier than usual is a corroboration of Providence's intention to let me reach my goal."

Good read on this issue: http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

Besides, that really wasn't my point. I'm just pointing out the ignorance of proclaiming one religion to be about peace and love, while another is "completely evil", and "bad". It's easy to pinpoint the bad in other religions when you don't believe in them, while remaining oblivious, or flat out ignoring the bad in your own.

[KanadaHye]

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I agree, everything goes in cycles, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the way Christ led his life. Being god's only son and made flesh, being born to a virgin mother, being born on or near Christmas, walking on water, turning water into wine, making food appear out of thin air, promising salvation through belief in him and his father, dieing for the sins of mankind on or near Easter, rising from his grave 3 days later, promising his disciples that he will return again one day, and so on. These things were done in whole, or in part by MANY gods of previous religions, mythologies and folklore. These were predecessors to Christ. The Bible is merely version xx.x of the same, regurgitated stories and fables once believed by people long before Christ supposedly came around.

Whether or not someone believes the entire story, doesn't dismiss the fact that Christianity spread from what is now Israel, out towards it's surroundings transforming paganism and causing the collapse of the Roman Empire. Not to mention saving the Armenian nation which would have been lost had our ancestors not adopted Christianity. Mohammad and Islam began because he defeated a bigger military with a small one. So to disregard religion as historical events is akin to erasing history. The churches in Turkey which have been destroyed by in large to erase OUR existence plays a big part in covering up the genocide.

Hitler was not an atheist, OR agnostic. This is something Christian apologists made up, just as they claim America's forefathers were all Christian/this nation was founded on Christianity. Hitler was a devout Catholic. You can find evidence of this in Mein Kampf, and several of his speeches.

I don't think you or I can really prove what was going on inside Hitler's head but obviously he was fighting a war within his own country which makes me suspicious about the entire truth behind all the 3 hour movies about the Holocaust. And America wasn't founded on Christianity, it was founded on Judeo-Christian laws.

[hipeter924]

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Whether or not someone believes the entire story, doesn't dismiss the fact that Christianity spread from what is now Israel, out towards it's surroundings transforming paganism and causing the collapse of the Roman Empire. Not to mention saving the Armenian nation which would have been lost had our ancestors not adopted Christianity. Mohammad and Islam began because he defeated a bigger military with a small one. So to disregard religion as historical events is akin to erasing history. The churches in Turkey which have been destroyed by in large to erase OUR existence plays a big part in covering up the genocide.



I don't think you or I can really prove what was going on inside Hitler's head but obviously he was fighting a war within his own country which makes me suspicious about the entire truth behind all the 3 hour movies about the Holocaust. And America wasn't founded on Christianity, it was founded on Judeo-Christian laws.

Atheism means = lack of belief in gods

Theism means = belief in gods

There is no evidence at all that Atheism or Theism is violent from the first.

You must combine other things with Atheism or Theism.

For example Hitler combined the historical hatred of the xxxs and Christian Belief for his own means. Stalin for example simply followed Communism which had its own take on how Atheism should be used and imposed.

[Sako]

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If this makes you think Muhammed's existance was illogical, then why don't you think Jesus' existence, and all the supernatural phenomenon associated with him, is "logical"?

Incase you guys didn't know ... Muhammed was a Christian before he founded the Islamic religion. There is proof, don't worry. As usual, I don't base anything I say on theory!

Something else I would like to add is that millions of Muslims don't follow even half of what the Quran instructs them to follow so let's not underestimate or dis this religion (not that I'm saying we all necessarily are). There are some guidelines though that I can't agree with at all. That's for sure. But still I have so many great Muslim friends and they follow Islam properly. They respect our religion and all the other religions in the world though and continue to follow their own, remaining good people, good friends, and trying to help me and anyone else whenever they can. This proves that it isn't necessarily the religion that spoils people but rather the people that spoil the religion, making it look bad. I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Islam isn't wrong. It's the followers that make it look wrong! People misuse this religion and do whatever they want under it's name. I don't mean just Islam ...... Christianity, as well. That's what pisses me off the most!

[Yeznik]

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Hitler was not an atheist, OR agnostic. This is something Christian apologists made up, just as they claim America's forefathers were all Christian/this nation was founded on Christianity. Hitler was a devout Catholic.

If Hitler was truly a devote Catholic as you claim, then why would he kill the Catholic Poles/Germans/Slovaks when they were of the same religion. I mean why go around killing millions of “constituents” of your religion in the time of war rather then using them. This is strategic suicide.

The fact is that Hitler used whatever means necessary to accommodate is agenda.


Here are some more facts about Hitler’s real position on Christianity in his own words:

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the xxx. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, xxxxxxs? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

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[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Hitler was Christian, I can't remember that he was Catholic, if he was he would not have made the Protestant church the official church of the "Aryan" nation