Religion and Atheism

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: Religion and Atheism

I couldn't agree more with the above post. I think part of the problem of why the West seems to be embracing atheism/agnosticism is because of this type of fundamentalism. When you think about it, the type of Protestantism/Christian Zionism that is touted and paraded on TV all the time isn't really fundamentalism, because they are diverging greatly from the beliefs of historical, ancient and mainline Christianity. I would be more apt to call it Christian radicalism ('radical' in this sense meaning departing from traditional beliefs, not taking a certain idea to an extreme). In my opinion, your typical Westerner who is luke-warm or has no philosophical beliefs for or against religion will see this type of Christianity, conclude that that's all there is, and then say, "Well if this is Christianity, I certainly want no part of it". And I wouldn't blame him/her. But this is not Christianity at all, it is in reality some perverted version of Christianity presented to the public for mass-consumption in order to fulfill either personal, political or financial gain.

Exactly! I’d just add to your above post that while the attacks on Christ’s teachings are of course nothing new, they are coming even thicker and faster since the end of 18th century when the Rothschild’s clan established Freemasonry, which is behind most of the anti-Christian messages beamed through their mass media outlets worldwide. They truly are the masters of deception and servants of evil.

The whole "Christian Zionism" phenomenon is really perplexing to me as Christians have always understood Zion/Israel/Jerusalem as a spiritual idea rather than a physical place. As Christians we are the "New Israel", but it is not a physical place. This only makes sense as Christ was fundamentally opposed to the idea of a "chosen people" and the worship of states and municipalities.

The explanation of the phenomenon is relatively straightforward: Freemasonry was created in order to attract and then basically enslave as many worthy individuals as possible, to make these people work towards the strengthening of the j3wish supremacy without them actually fully understanding what they are being used for. Christian Zionism is an offshoot of Freemasonry, it is basically a simplified version of Freemasonry, which is tailor made to be attractive for the masses rather than individuals. And because the masses of the West (Christianity) are the most valuable for the Masons, in terms of their wealth and influence, the message has been made with a distinct Christian flavour.

As one priest put it, "God put a limit on our intelligence, but he sure as hell didn't put a limit on our stupidity".

That's brilliant!

[gkv]

Re: Religion and Atheism

The explanation of the phenomenon is relatively straightforward: Freemasonry...

Don't let this jewish/freemason thing grow into an obsession.

Mechanisms underlying human societies are far too complex for anything to be predicted/"engineered". Often, one works towards one goal and achieves the exact opposite.

There surely are influential cynics who believe they hold some power over the destinies of this world, cynics who hold other humans to be vain and miserable (as exemplified by this fictive character http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pol116/grand.htm), yet there are the ones to be pitied the most. Their tower of babel is a laughable attempt. They end up being mere instruments in the hands of providence, as did revolutionaries in the times of the french and bolshevik revolutions.

All earthly kingdoms are bound to collapse, even the one whose foundation rests upon human feebleness. For in each man lies the seed of freedom. And, in some, the longing for greatness and the absolute. This even permeates pop culture. How many dystopian movies have been set around these themes... e.g. the following parabola

If one is to attack a citadel, one should take aim at its foundations.

One cannot fight human feebleness by denuncing it. One can only preach by means of example. If one chooses to devote his/her energy to detracting others, one ends up setting the example of being a detractor, which is a sterile and contemptible one (whatever the values one might champion).

The example to be set against human feebleness is one of spiritual strength, that of a man who stays the course, leading his life unaffected by surrounding circumstances, looking towards the kingdom of God.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Don't let this jewish/freemason thing grow into an obsession.

All earthly kingdoms are bound to collapse, even the one whose foundation rests upon human feebleness. For in each man lies the seed of freedom. And, in some, the longing for greatness and the absolute. This even permeates pop culture. How many dystopian movies have been set around these themes... e.g. the following parabola
THX1138

The example to be set against human feebleness is one of spiritual strength, that of a man who stays the course, leading his life unaffected by surrounding circumstances, looking towards the kingdom of God.

This isn't very far fetched in terms of the future. It's basically a result of life being "automated" by the same machinations that were created to make life simpler. If you've ever seen an automotive assembly plant or any production facility for that matter, the setting shown in the movie is reality for the workers during their 12 hour shifts. Especially now that students come out of school with debt, they will have no choice but to pay that debt off working in such environments. Slave labour? Perhaps.

[gkv]

Re: Religion and Atheism

This isn't very far fetched in terms of the future. It's basically a result of life being "automated" by the same machinations that were created to make life simpler. If you've ever seen an automotive assembly plant or any production facility for that matter, the setting shown in the movie is reality for the workers during their 12 hour shifts. Especially now that students come out of school with debt, they will have no choice but to pay that debt off working in such environments. Slave labour? Perhaps.

the exploitation of man by man is nothing new.
external freedoms may be taken away but it is a much harder task to eradicate the possibility of inner freedom.
people in the west like to whine.
contrast this with the chinese.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

the exploitation of man by man is nothing new.
external freedoms may be taken away but it is a much harder task to eradicate the possibility of inner freedom.
people in the west like to whine.
contrast this with the chinese.

It's the West that's indebted to China. China, if left at peace, will evolve into adopting human rights and perhaps even unions and proper labour laws (seeing a production facility in China will make you appreciate so many things that people in the west take granted). Inner freedom is over rated. Traditionally, being in debt (financially) was a sin in itself. Even in Armenian tradition, you never show up to someone's house empty handed because you don't want to feel indebted.

[gkv]

Re: Religion and Atheism

It's the West that's indebted to China. China, if left at peace, will evolve into adopting human rights and perhaps even unions and proper labour laws (seeing a production facility in China will make you appreciate so many things that people in the west take granted). Inner freedom is over rated. Traditionally, being in debt (financially) was a sin in itself. Even in Armenian tradition, you never show up to someone's house empty handed because you don't want to feel indebted.

there might have been a misunderstanding here.
what i meant is, contrast this with the chinese who often work much harder, under very tough conditions, yet do not complain.
their culture is one which values effort.

[gkv]

Re: Religion and Atheism

inner freedom certainly is not overrated. in fact it is one of the freedom that is most lacking in the west. for it is not something that may be granted, rather something to be conquered.

[gkv]

Re: Religion and Atheism

anyway enough empty talk. nowadays, i get annoyed by my own babble fairly quickly. have to leave this board. so long.

[Armanen]

Re: Religion and Atheism

She is crazy because she hears voices in her heads or are you going to claim that hearing voices in your head is something normal?

The voices were those from the Divine. If she had gone crazy or done odd, hurtful things to herself and others than we could include her in the list of the typical 'I hear voices in my head' mental people. Yet, she led armies to victory with no military background whatsoever, and she credited them to the voices she heard which were telling her what is the right decision to make.

[Armanen]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Rich southern that went to West Point, slave owner who would have lost them if he hadn't fought with the Confederacy.

Robert E. Lee did not want to fight against the Union, he only did so because he was loyal to his home state. He planned on releasing his slaves when he died, but the South losing resulted in his slaves gaining their freedom sooner.